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At the moment you were born-again …

you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

 

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,

and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.

Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call

and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;

for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting

kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)

“FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.(2 Peter 1:9, NIV)

“PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

 

Now for some confirming NT passages …

 

Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke

in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).

They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.       

It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not

harmed by us in any way.  For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience

leads us away from sin and results in salvation.worldly sorrow, which lacks

repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)   

 

“Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence.

And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins.

You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality,

and eagerness for lustful pleasure.(2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)  

 

Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:

“Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment,

when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not

want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (he) wants everyone to repent.

… what holy and godly lives you should live … (you) make every effort to be found living

peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight.  … I am warning you ahead of time

… Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)    

 

John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:

“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins

and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).(1 John 1:9, NLT)  

This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all

unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them

… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance

… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.

(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale)

 

2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:

“My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.

But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before

the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.(1 John 2:1, NLT)  

 

Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!

They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.

So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world,

and the devil. They have no excuse for failing to do this.

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Slight problem: when Christ died, all of our sins were "future sins".

So, congrats on trying to terrify people into your "performance-based salvation gospel", a.k.a. WORKS-based salvation. Tell me: does your "god" get a discount at Harbor Freight Tools on sledgehammers?

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9 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

At the moment you were born-again …

you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

 

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,

and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.

Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call

and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;

for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting

kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)

“FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.(2 Peter 1:9, NIV)

“PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

 

Now for some confirming NT passages …

 

Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke

in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).

They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.       

It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not

harmed by us in any way.  For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience

leads us away from sin and results in salvation.worldly sorrow, which lacks

repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)   

 

“Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence.

And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins.

You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality,

and eagerness for lustful pleasure.(2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)  

 

Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:

“Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment,

when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not

want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (he) wants everyone to repent.

… what holy and godly lives you should live … (you) make every effort to be found living

peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight.  … I am warning you ahead of time

… Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)    

 

John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:

“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins

and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).(1 John 1:9, NLT)  

This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all

unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them

… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance

… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.

(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale)

 

2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:

“My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.

But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before

the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.(1 John 2:1, NLT)  

 

Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!

They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.

So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world,

and the devil. They have no excuse for failing to do this.

So in other words, you are either trying to teach some kind of holiness doctrine, or you are trying to teach salvation thru works.  Neither position is viable.

If Jesus did not sacrifice Himself for all of our sins, past, present and future, then He did not sacrifice Himself for any of them.  As the perfect sacrifice, He was amply able to pay for all the sins we have or could commit, or He was not an effective and complete sacrifice.  When you teach what you are teaching above, you are saying that Jesus is not a good enough sacrifice.  This is what Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses teach.  Partial salvation.  Jesus just pays for the past sins and then it's up to the individual to do enough good works to earn their way into heaven on the installment plan like they are buying a BMW.

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2 Peter 1:9 clearly states that Born-Again Christians were cleansed of their old (past) sins,

and they need to be careful in the future as the Holy Spirit attempts to progressively sanctify them.

(A multitude of NT verses state believers can fail in this process - and can fall away, etc. etc. etc.)

This verse simply agrees with several NT passages in the OP,

which state that BACs must be diligent to repent of their future sins.

And 1 John 1:7-9 provides the clearest formula for this.

I'm not open to arguing the topic with anyone.

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2 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

2 Peter 1:9 clearly states that Born-Again Christians were cleansed of their old (past) sins,

and they need to be careful in the future as the Holy Spirit attempts to progressively sanctify them.

(A multitude of NT verses state believers can fail in this process - and can fall away, etc. etc. etc.)

This verse simply agrees with several NT passages in the OP,

which state that BACs must be diligent to repent of their future sins.

And 1 John 1:7-9 provides the clearest formula for this.

I'm not open to arguing the topic with anyone.

 It is my understanding that God forgives all our sins when we become a christian even the future ones.    At this point we stand justified before God because of Christ's righteousness not our own.   But it is clear from the 1 John 1:9 that we are to confess our sins and repent of our sins if we sin.   John was writing to the Church.  In the upper room the disciples were clean but needed only their feet to be cleaned.   If I am wrong about this love to hear more.  Let's be kind one to another.  

 

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2 hours ago, Frances said:

 It is my understanding that God forgives all our sins when we become a christian even the future ones.   At this point we stand justified before God because of Christ's righteousness not our own.   But it is clear from the 1 John 1:9 that we are to confess our sins and repent of our sins if we sin.   John was writing to the Church.  In the upper room the disciples were clean but needed only their feet to be cleaned.  If I am wrong about this love to hear more. 

The whole NT warns about the consequences of sin.

And most of it (the epistles) was written to the churches!

You have to decide if God is bluffing, exaggerating, even lying.

Better still: you need to RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses

with the many NT verses which are against OSAS.

And this is easily done ...

The single word "believe" must actually mean:

believe, have faith in, trust, and obey.

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@Frances Like you, I'm here to learn, and appreciate all I've learned/gleaned through the brothers and sisters here in 11 days: and when I'm wrong, I want correction. I'm not JW, Mormon, Catholic, preterist, or dispensationalist; but was taught and believe that while we were in Adam, we were not responsible for Adam's sin; but now after the cross, we are accountable for our own sins. We won't get by with anything before a Holy God, therefore, all the scriptures attesting to our responsibility by faith and His grace. He gives grace to the humble, and more grace as we seek His will and pleasure. He has given us power to become sons, so it is not an automatic. If we walk in the Spirit, (continually) in His Light, we are being cleansed as we walk. We are to grow up into the Head, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, unto a perfect man...

Was also taught, by a beloved elderly Saint, that "Yes, Once Saved Always Saved is true: IF you're saved. We are saved by His Life." To me that means, when He returns, will we be found in His Life or our own?  The law of the Spirit of Life has made me free from the law of sin and death. In which law are we living? I still go in and out...but he who remains in Him...

He that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Rev 3:12

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6 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

2 Peter 1:9 clearly states that Born-Again Christians were cleansed of their old (past) sins,

and they need to be careful in the future as the Holy Spirit attempts to progressively sanctify them.

(A multitude of NT verses state believers can fail in this process - and can fall away, etc. etc. etc.)

This verse simply agrees with several NT passages in the OP,

which state that BACs must be diligent to repent of their future sins.

And 1 John 1:7-9 provides the clearest formula for this.

I'm not open to arguing the topic with anyone.

You are not going to "argue" the topic because you cannot adequately defend it.  No where in the New Testament does anyone state that Jesus only died for or sins before we got saved.  The concept is not even hinted at.  Why didn't you post all of 1 John 1?

1 John 1:1-10 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.  2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.  3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
4 We write this to make our joy complete.  5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.  6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.  7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.  8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.  9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.  10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

 

Progressive sactification does not mean you no longer sin.  We have clear examples in the NT of the Apostles, such as Peter, sinning after they were saved.  So much for that theory.  

Romans 9:30-33 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;  31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it.  32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone."  33 As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 

Ephesians 2:1-10 1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,  2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.  3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.  4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,  5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.  6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.  8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--  9 not by works, so that no one can boast.  10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

 

So much for salvation by works.  Your advocating one or the other.  Holiness or works.  Or maybe some whacked amalgam of both.  Neither concept represents true salvation.

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13 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

So in other words, you are either trying to teach some kind of holiness doctrine, or you are trying to teach salvation thru works.  Neither position is viable.

If Jesus did not sacrifice Himself for all of our sins, past, present and future, then He did not sacrifice Himself for any of them.  As the perfect sacrifice, He was amply able to pay for all the sins we have or could commit, or He was not an effective and complete sacrifice.  When you teach what you are teaching above, you are saying that Jesus is not a good enough sacrifice.  This is what Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses teach.  Partial salvation.  Jesus just pays for the past sins and then it's up to the individual to do enough good works to earn their way into heaven on the installment plan like they are buying a BMW.

Having no formal teaching except for traditions like "making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out whose naughty and nice, Santa Claus is coming to town", this is what I believed when I first repented.  I didn't realize that salvation is a a free gift, by grace through faith, not of works.  So I thought I had a second chance to be good enough to go to heaven.  It was horrible bondage!  It is a lie of satan, and it took years to free me from it.

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1 John 2: KJV

1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

 

A letter addressed to the Saints showing that future sins are forgiven because we have an advocate, Jesus Christ.. 

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