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40 minutes ago, Mystic_Pizza said:

Are you talking about taking the mark when you say 'worshiping an image'? Since we're in "Mark of the Beast", I'll assume ;-D 

I posted the verses in Revelation that lead me to believe that taking the mark is, possibly, something that cannot be undone. This is something I am not at all 100% sure of, but the penalty for taking the mark - as read in Revelation - makes me want to take no chances, just in case it can't be undone. Why anyone would want to lead people to believe that there is a possibility taking the mark is forgivable, is beyond me- why would anyone want to take the chance on something where the consequences could be beyond catastrophic, and permanent in a sense that we can't even begin to imagine?

If that wasn't what was meant, please disregard :D

Otherwise, in answer to the questions: yes, to the above. Unless it's the mark of the beast, in which case all bets are off, lol.

Just to be clear, I would never say, "It's ok to take the mark or worship the image, cause it can just be forgiven later when you change your mind." That's clearly wrong.

It's the idea that mercy and forgiveness are always there for anyone caught up in wrong thinking or led astray if and when they have an epiphany or hear the Lord's call.

And that right to the end.

For us with knowledge the mark would be our destruction, i have no doubt, for so many others without that knowledge life is still attainable, even to the end of the age.

 

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5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Just to be clear, I would never say, "It's ok to take the mark or worship the image, cause it can just be forgiven later when you change your mind." That's clearly wrong.

It's the idea that mercy and forgiveness are always there for anyone caught up in wrong thinking or led astray if and when they have an epiphany or hear the Lord's call.

And that right to the end.

For us with knowledge the mark would be our destruction, i have no doubt, for so many others without that knowledge life is still attainable, even to the end of the age.

 

True. I want to believe that somehow, when the time comes for choosing to take or refuse the mark, that people know exactly what it is they are choosing to do, and the ramifications of their actions. At this point, who can say...but whatever it is that happens, God is just and merciful.

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Okay ,so why would God condemn those who take the mark when it's Him that sent them the spirit of slumber

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion , that they should believe a lie;"

Also ,one cannot be forced to take the mark,the majority will not even know they took it,as it(mark)simply means service,meaning they will serve satan thinking he is Christ

Revelation 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

This is the "Mark of the beast" which is confusing to many today. This mark is in your hand, and in your forehead. Can a electronic chip be put in your hand, and forehead change your beliefs? I don't think so.

"In your hand" is an idiom that means to do Satan's work. You do the work of Satan [the Antichrist] when you bring others to him, or help in his system. This mark in the hand is speaking in a spiritual sense. "In the forehead" is referring to your mind [brain]. Being deceived by Satan in your mind is when you think he is the true Christ, and in ignorance you worship him. No computer chip will condemn you, for it is your faith that you will be judged by.

 

One will either have the seal or take  the mark.Again it's all about deception and for those who think because they are Christian they won't be deceived is false,for the simple fact that only a Christian can be deceived as the rest of the world already are.

Which brings me to the purpose of the millennium,and that is,it's a time for all to learn the true Word of God,without the influence of satan,as he is locked in the pit.

At the return of Christ ALL will be changed,meaning you will learn that Word in your spiritual body,if one follows satan after the 1000 years then that person is doomed.

"Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Why would God turn Satan loose a short season? Because this will be a time of testing for those claiming to be Christians who were deceived by him in this earth age. After the thousand year testing and teaching, some will still seek after Satan, and they will be gathered by the angels as tares [see Matthew 13] to be burned with him.

Those who were deceived are called the dead.

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have an  eternal spiritual body until they are tested after the millennium. I Corinthians 15:50-52describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities.  There are also two spiritual bodies, one eternal, the other perishable (mortal). Those who take the mark of the beast will not have their eternal bodies at the seventh trump.  Instead they will have mortal spiritual bodies (liable-to-die), and have to be taught again to learn the difference between 'the holy from the profane' for 1,000 years and then be tested at the end of it to earn that eternal body by choosing Jesus Christ

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part -- which hinges on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the Spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to the earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or at any time from any century prior to the sounding of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and those who will see some take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him. 

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only.

Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

 

https://www.theseason.org/revelation/revelation20.htm

 

 

 

 

 

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On 12/30/2018 at 7:00 PM, ForHisGlory37 said:

Once one takes the MOB, there is no turning back.....

If one has knowledge of the nature of the mark the above statement is  true.  You and I, knowing the true reason for the mark, cannot accept it and swear allegiance to the beast in rebellion against our Father. 

Billions will not see the spiritual ramifications of the mark or the worship of the beast and his image.

Islam finds the bible unreliable due to their idea of many changes, additions and subtractions from centuries of copying. What if they do not understand what the mark means in the spirit and only understand "that no man may buy or sell except he had the mark"? Thats rationing of resources and would make sense to people trying to eat and drink. 

Are we really condemning a vast group that may not have knowledge of the truth of the mark and the beast? 

I would bet many religious groups have no clue about this. 

Even the "christian" group try to escape it with their own falsehood of pretrib rapture leaving them unprepared for the testing.

There is only one unforgiveable sin and its not taking the mark in them who have no knowledge. It would only be unforgivable for those with knowledge, you and I. 

Oh Lord, your mercy endures forever! 

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16 hours ago, Diaste said:

Just to be clear, I would never say, "It's ok to take the mark or worship the image, cause it can just be forgiven later when you change your mind." That's clearly wrong.

I was debating on whether or not to make a similar statement.  One of the arguments being made against being able to repent of the mark was that people would then think it's okay to take it.  If a person thinks its okay to sin and is in the habit of justifying their sins then no amount of "don't touch that" will be an effective deterrent.  Given the prevalence of the Laodicean church in western culture, I guess such a statement does need to be made.

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I was not going to continue this seemingly pointless discussion with you since you have a closed mind as to what is written in the Bible, however here I am.

From the beginning of time the gospel was written in the stars...protevangelium... the zodiac in today’s terms ( not astrology). Early man had no Bible but understood the meaning of the stars as the Wisemen  did in their search for the newborn King.

Because of the past and today’s technology, there is not one person living who has not heard that the only Living God sent His Son to die on the cross for man’s sin. No matter what their holy book is. All who live have heard or read the message of redemption. Believe and be saved or die for unbelief.

There is a rapture (harpazo, rapturo or rapture). As was explained, it is a father who sees his child in harms way of a vehicle, animal, what you will, and rushes out and “snatches the loved child from harm’s way”. You can accept this act of a loving heavenly Father who would do this or not. The apostles saw Jesus die on the cross be buried, and yet stood seeing Him rise to heaven in the clouds. The same way we are told that we will rise to meet the Lord in the “air”. We will not meet Him on the earth. We will not go through the tribulation otherwise what was the point of God the Father sending His Son to die for sinners.

During the tribulation, only those who did not accept the free gift of salvation are on the earth. They have already denied Jesus once. If they realize the error they made and do not take the mark of the beast and deny the Antichrist they will be hunted down and beheaded for their choice. This will be rare for one to take that stand. But to say you cannot accept that God would be so unforgiving is false doctrine according to the scriptures. 

All on earth today have heard the Gospel of Jesus dying for their sins. It is written in the stars. If they reject so great a gift, the sacrifice of the only Living God, their end is surely eternal damnation. Separation from Pure Love.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

I was debating on whether or not to make a similar statement.  One of the arguments being made against being able to repent of the mark was that people would then think it's okay to take it.  If a person thinks its okay to sin and is in the habit of justifying their sins then no amount of "don't touch that" will be an effective deterrent.  Given the prevalence of the Laodicean church in western culture, I guess such a statement does need to be made.

True. If one has knowledge and yet sins they are on on the path to destruction.

I agree we shouldn't have to make the distinction, but.....

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On 1/8/2019 at 5:57 AM, Last Daze said:

Do you think that Jesus is going to deny Peter before the Father?  Why or why not?

Hi LD,

I’ve discussed this with my mentor. This is what we found in Scripture.

Let’s look at the Gospel of Luke. Here Jesus explains what Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.

Luke 12:1…..”Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy”

12:2….”But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known”

The Day is coming when a persons’ true faith will be revealed.

4-5….”Do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But, I will warn you whom to fear: Fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes I tell you, fear Him”

A persecution that leads to death is coming.

8-9….” Everyone who confesses Me before men, the Son of Man will confess him also before the angels of God; but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.”

The persecution unto death is about confessing Jesus or denying Jesus, which is exactly what the persecution during the Tribulation will be about.

10-12….” And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and authorities,  do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you are to say.”

This is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is the denial of what the Holy Spirit tells us to say at that very hour, at that moment of persecution unto death, when we confess Jesus or deny Him. This is our witness, our testimony before men. If we fail to heed the words of the Holy Spirit at that moment, then we have committed the unpardonable sin, and we will be given the Mark of the Beast. There is no turning back after this.

Taking the Mark of the Beast IS blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unpardonable sin!

Now then. Do I think that Jesus will deny Peter before the Father?

No, Jesus forgave Peter. He told him to feed His sheep. I think that when Peter denied Jesus 3 times, this is before he really KNEW that Jesus was who He claimed to be; that He was the suffering One, the Messiah who had to die.

“For  they as yet did not understand the scriptures, that He must rise again from the dead”….John 20:9

We have the Scriptures. Peter didn’t. There is no excuse for us!

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47 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

10-12….” And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and authorities,  do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you are to say.”

This is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is the denial of what the Holy Spirit tells us to say at that very hour, at that moment of persecution unto death, when we confess Jesus or deny Him. This is our witness, our testimony before men. If we fail to heed the words of the Holy Spirit at that moment, then we have committed the unpardonable sin, and we will be given the Mark of the Beast. There is no turning back after this.

I have to admit that I've never heard that interpretation before.

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On 1/5/2019 at 7:38 AM, Diaste said:

I'm sorry but this seems quite harsh. I wonder if there is precedent in scripture for repentance when one worships images or idols to false gods. Nothing comes to mind but I bet there is an example.

I find the whole idea of 'never able to repent of an action or behavior' distasteful and not in keeping with scriptural truths of love, grace and mercy, nor the many examples of repentance of sin. As far as I know only one sin is unforgivable and that's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, not taking the mark and worshiping an image.

Rev 14:9  Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ", If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand
Rev 14:10  he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 
Rev 14:11  And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." 

This seems to be a fairly straightforward scripture. If one receives the mark of beast, they go to eternal torment. There seems to be absolutely no way around that. We are told explicitly that anyone who worships the beast will end up in this situation. It is prudent to heed such warnings in my view.

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