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On 1/2/2019 at 6:00 AM, noblenut said:

the mark is a blasphemy against God, and those who do it will be condemned forever 

Not if they repent. Blasphemy against the Father is forgivable.

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On 1/1/2019 at 9:41 AM, other one said:

Jesus told us that no one can snatch us from the Hand of the Father...…    I trust the Holy Spirit will never let that happen      assuming one is in the hand of the Father...

I don't want to turn this into an OSAS debate but being snatched from the hand of the Father is not the same as voluntarily leaving.

On 1/1/2019 at 9:41 AM, other one said:

Can the dark side convince you that you are saved when you really are not???

That's what they do.  They deceive.  

  • “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.  Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’  And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’  Matthew 7:21-23

 

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Never being able to repent is distasteful...they have all of the time before they die to repent..before the rapture or before Jesus defeats Satan. But, it is easier now to ask for forgiveness than during the tibulation when the only way to survive with food or water may be to take the mark. That will be a time like the earth has never experienced.

you say nothing has been written of pretribulation rapture..I differ with you. When Jesus rose from the dead the graves were opened and people who died keeping the commandments or accepting Him as Saviour, were seen testifying and were known by their friends and family. They did not return to the grave..they went with Jesus to wait for the great rapture of the saints. Jesus took captivity captive.

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6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not if they repent. Blasphemy against the Father is forgivable.

but not against the spirit

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7 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I don't want to turn this into an OSAS debate but being snatched from the hand of the Father is not the same as voluntarily leaving.

That's what they do.  They deceive.  

  • “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.  Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’  And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’  Matthew 7:21-23

 

deceiving you to take the mark unwittingly would be snatching you from the hand of the father....   no if you take the mark you will know what you are doing and deserve hell.

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7 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said:

Never being able to repent is distasteful...they have all of the time before they die to repent..before the rapture or before Jesus defeats Satan. But, it is easier now to ask for forgiveness than during the tibulation when the only way to survive with food or water may be to take the mark. That will be a time like the earth has never experienced.

You mean they have all the time to repent before death, unless the 70th week has begun? If they have time to repent until the defeat of Satan would that be the end of the 70th week or the end of the Millennium? In either case they would have the opportunity to repent during the testing of the mark. During the time of the mark, a family could accept the mark for their young children, teach them to worship the image, if there was no repentance available after the mark it would condemn millions of children to eternal death. I will never believe they are excepted from salvation.

So you believe it's easier to ask for mercy now, when it's not hard, than when conditions on earth are as dire as they will ever be? There are no atheists in foxholes. So your belief would remove the chance at salvation at a time when the people needed it most, when the worst suffering possible besets them everyday, when the people are frightened and desperate salvation should be off the table? God forbid!

 

7 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said:

you say nothing has been written of pretribulation rapture..I differ with you. When Jesus rose from the dead the graves were opened and people who died keeping the commandments or accepting Him as Saviour, were seen testifying and were known by their friends and family.

But that's not the pretrib rapture is it? If it was, pretrib would have nothing, already happened. The only gathering of the saints is at Jesus visible return in the clouds of the air when everyone sees Him, sometime after the midpoint of the week

 

7 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said:

They did not return to the grave..they went with Jesus to wait for the great rapture of the saints. 

Now that's an assumption. Scripture does not record the destiny of the ones who rose from the grave at Jesus resurrection. Maybe they were taken to heaven, scripture is silent. Maybe they lived out their lives and died again; scripture is silent. Maybe they are still alive and we have a few hundred eternally youthful people walking around. Again, scripture is silent.

 

7 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said:

 Jesus took captivity captive.

 

But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it a says:“When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”

 

This is speaking to the grace we have been given and the captives are us on this earth, this has nothing to do with resurrecting a group and taking them to heaven.

 

 

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1 hour ago, noblenut said:

but not against the spirit

But that's not what you said. You said the mark was blasphemy against the Father, implying it was unforgivable. It's not.

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7 hours ago, Last Daze said:

‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

Man, televangelists.

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14 hours ago, other one said:

deceiving you to take the mark unwittingly would be snatching you from the hand of the father....   

No believer who is walking in the Spirit will be deceived.  The lukewarm and ill-prepared, however, will lack discernment.

  • Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap.  Luke 21.34

It's not for no reason that Jesus exhorts us over and over again to be ready and on the alert for His return.

14 hours ago, other one said:

no if you take the mark you will know what you are doing and deserve hell.

Not according to Revelation 13.

  • And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.  Revelation 13:14

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15 hours ago, other one said:

if you take the mark you will know what you are doing and deserve hell.

We who are so informed will know and should we cave then yes, it would be dire. Not the same thing for others who are uninformed or blinded, or deceived.

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