King Saul

[Blood Bought 1953]

37 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Yes that what we God said to Sammuel. 

But God did not stopped them , even thought he made them think about to what they are getting into. 

But on thinking about that it seems that he expected for that to happened and made his plans going along with them. 

I may even think that he may be the one to lead them in those desires, as to paved the way for his propose. 

If we look hiw he responded to Sammuel, we may see that he was anticipated that to happened. 

So we can have later David and the promishes made to David about the coming of the Messiah out of Juda and the "son of David", coming out of his line and being born in Bethlehem, the place of David. And the deference to Jesse. 

 

Just another example of how when we disagree with God or think God needs our “ help” to carry out His Promises.....WE are always wrong.Abraham thought he would “ help God out” when he had relations with Hagar.......the entire world payed the price for that “ help”. The result of that tryst was Ishmael .....the father of all Arabs, not all but most have been a thorn in the side of the world and especially to Israel

[Your closest friendnt]

19 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Just another example of how when we disagree with God or think God needs our “ help” to carry out His Promises.....WE are always wrong.Abraham thought he would “ help God out” when he had relations with Hagar.......the entire world payed the price for that “ help”. The result of that tryst was Ishmael .....the father of all Arabs, not all but most have been a thorn in the side of the world and especially to Israel

Abraham believed God who told him that is not Ismael , but a Son he will have with Sarah will inherit the promish and from his liniage the seed that will bless the whole world will come. 

The way God intervene with Sarah to bring fourth a son, in the same manner God intervene so the bethroted maiden to Josheph gave birth to a Son the promish seed with God's life in him, when she hersel or anyone else were without God"s life in them. 

This event help us understand the miraculous birth of Jesus Christ, the promish seed the one who through him all the nations of the world will be bless.

That blessing also includes Ismael, and his offspring because Jesus Christ diet for the sins for all the world.

To give the forgiveness of sins and with that to give also the Life of God to all who believed in him. 

Certainly Ismael and his offspring of that time could not hear the good news of the Gospel while they lived .

So they too heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ and they were invited to believed but only after Jesus Christ had died on the Cross.

Because one of the proposes of Jesus to descend in the place of the dead was to bring the Gospel to all who had died before him.

Not just the Israelites who were in the Bossom of Abraham but to the Gentiles and to everyone else in the whole world. 

 It seems many things happened according to the plan of Godl and his propose.

God needed Judas and every one else who had an important  participation in his plan for the redemption and who were foremention in the words of the prophets. 

Edited November 30, 2018 by Your closest friendnt

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On ‎11‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 2:41 AM, Pencil24 said:

So I know eventually God turned his back on Saul and his heart was hardened. Do you think King Saul was ever a Christian, to begin with? I am not really seeing when I read about it him that he ever truly followed the Lord. I was just curious about anyone's thoughts about this subject.  

Hi Pencil24.

King Saul, was once in God's favour and Grace, and who had the Holy Spirit. He lost that favour and was destroyed because of sin (1 Chron. 10:13-14).

He committed suicide and must be lost, for no murderer has eternal live (1 Sam. 28:7-25; 31:1-6; 1 John 3:15; Gal. 5:19-21).

To argue that Saul was never a saved man is to demonstrate a lack of Bible truth. "God gave Saul another heart . . . and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied (1 Sam. 10:9-13).

If this was not an experience of the saved man then it was nothing at all. It is also recorded how the Spirit of God LEFT HIM WHEN HE SINNED (1 Sam. 16:12-23). Saul went into spiritualism and God said He would cut off the man who did this (Lev. 19:31; 20:6; Deut. 18:11).

He was a very humble and Godley man to begin with, but he did not end in this way (1 Sam. 10:21-24).

[Your closest friendnt]

49 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Hi Pencil24.

King Saul, was once in God's favour and Grace, and who had the Holy Spirit. He lost that favour and was destroyed because of sin (1 Chron. 10:13-14).

He committed suicide and must be lost, for no murderer has eternal live (1 Sam. 28:7-25; 31:1-6; 1 John 3:15; Gal. 5:19-21).

To argue that Saul was never a saved man is to demonstrate a lack of Bible truth. "God gave Saul another heart . . . and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied (1 Sam. 10:9-13).

If this was not an experience of the saved man then it was nothing at all. It is also recorded how the Spirit of God LEFT HIM WHEN HE SINNED (1 Sam. 16:12-23). Saul went into spiritualism and God said He would cut off the man who did this (Lev. 19:31; 20:6; Deut. 18:11).

He was a very humble and Godley man to begin with, but he did not end in this way (1 Sam. 10:21-24).

Hi Hazard, 

The events with King Saul are quite confusing. 

He lived in the old testiment and under the Law of Moses. 

Long time before Jesus Christ. 

Not to be too harsh, but no one was Saved that time by the Law of Moses. 

That is if the meaning of Saved is going to Heaven and not Hell. 

The Judgement for that matter , Heaven or Hell belongs to Jesus and only after his death on the Cross. And his resuraction and his sitting on the Throne where he will judge all people. 

Where every knee shall bow down before him.

We cannot say that happened for Samuell or Saul at the time when they died. 

If someone can say they were Saved from the wrath of God because they kept the Law and they were righteous in being judge by the Law that's another matter. 

We understand that Saul disobeyed God not to kill the domestic animals of the people they conquered. 

And that's how it was, even he repented still for his reasons God hold it against him and did not want to do anything with him, he cut him off. 

Samuell said to Saul later on : today you will come to be with me. 

This Samuell said to Saul predicting his death. 

Samuell said that to Saul after he had died. 

So if we know where Samuell went, then we know where Saul went where he died. 

That time for the people who were under the Law and for the children of Abraham, God had provided a place called the place of the Bossom Abraham, so the descendants of Abraham were not only seperated from the Gentiles while they lived, but also at death they were seperated from the Gentiles and discended in the place of the dead, but were in the Bossom of Abraham together with Abraham waiting for the coming of Jesus Christ, who went there at the time of his death and took them  to Heaven with him at the time of his resuraction.

Samuell abd Saul were amongs those people as well Abraham and David and....and.....

So we can say that for about two thousand years Saul has been in Heaven.

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King Saul not only turned from God, he went into spiritualism and God said he would cut off the man who did this.

Saul also committed suicide, he went to Hell just as Judas who committed suicide did.

1 Chronicles 10:4-5.

  4, Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. 
    5, And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise on the sword, and died.

The Spirit of God LEFT SAUL WHEN HE SINNED (1 Sam. 16:12-23). Saul went into spiritualism and God said He would cut off the man who did this (Lev. 19:31; 20:6; Deut. 18:11). 

Had he remained true to God and not went into spiritualism he would have gone to Abraham's bosom as many other Old Testament  saints did until Christ's death and resurrection where He led captivity captive.

 

[Billiards Ball]

On 11/12/2018 at 10:41 AM, Pencil24 said:

So I know eventually God turned his back on Saul and his heart was hardened. Do you think King Saul was ever a Christian, to begin with? I am not really seeing when I read about it him that he ever truly followed the Lord. I was just curious about anyone's thoughts about this subject.  

Hi Pencil,

God turned on Saul regarding the kingdom, but not on spiritual matters. Saul was even warned of death in battle, and had a chance to pray and get "right" with God.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/1/2018 at 9:02 PM, HAZARD said:

King Saul not only turned from God, he went into spiritualism and God said he would cut off the man who did this.

Saul also committed suicide, he went to Hell just as Judas who committed suicide did.

1 Chronicles 10:4-5.

  4, Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. 
    5, And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise on the sword, and died.

The Spirit of God LEFT SAUL WHEN HE SINNED (1 Sam. 16:12-23). Saul went into spiritualism and God said He would cut off the man who did this (Lev. 19:31; 20:6; Deut. 18:11). 

Had he remained true to God and not went into spiritualism he would have gone to Abraham's bosom as many other Old Testament  saints did until Christ's death and resurrection where He led captivity captive.

 

I Samuell 28:6, 

And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

7, Then Saul said: seek me a woman that has a familiar spirit, .....

9, and the woman said unto him.

Behold thou knowest what Saul has done , how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits.......out of the Land.

16, Then said Samuel.....The Lord is departed from thee, and has become thine enemy.

17, for the Lord hath rent the Kingdom out of thine hand and given it to thine neighbour, even to David .

18, Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor execudest his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day.

19. More over the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee unto the hand of the Philistines: 

AND tomorrow shall thou and thy Sons be with me: 

Samuel 31:2, The Philistines kill the Sons of Saul in the battle.

3, the archers hit Saul; and he was sore wounded of the archers.

4. Then Saul said undo his servant: thrust me with thy Sword through, lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through....

We read that Saul and his Sons at the time of their death went to be with Samuell .

Samuel I 28:19.

The Lord not only seperated Abraham and his descendants from the rest of the people here on earth, but also he seperared from the rest of the people in the place of the dead. 

So we have Abraham's bossom, that's where Abraham went and received his offsprings when they died. 

Till the time Jesus Christ went there to give to all who believed in him (forgivness of sins and the eternal life), and take them to their Heavenly Inheritance. 

Jesus Christ died for all, so his mission was to bring the Gospel to all who had died before him from the beginning of the word. 

As Jesus had said the dead will hear his voice first. 

And the dead will rise first, because the Gospel was preach to the dead first and were the first who were invited to believed and recieved the forgiveness of sins and the eternal life and their Heavenly Inheritance. 

That's why Salvation is by faith alone, they were out of their bodies, and they hear and believed in Jesus Christ as they were, no matter who they were, hope no one expects them to do some good works of the fless down there in the spirit world of the dead. Preaching the Gospel together with Jesus that yes. 

So it was by faith alone for them and the same way for us, so there is one way to be Saved for all. 

The Gospel was preach to the dead only once by Jesus Christ before the resurection. 

So everyone shall  hear the Gospel and be Saved  by his faith in Jesus. Christ. 

The forgiveness of sins, the ETERNAL LIFE, and the Heavenly Inheritance come only by the blood of Jesus Christ. 

By faith that Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins. 

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3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We read that Saul and his Sons at the time of their death went to be with Samuell .

Samuel I 28:19.

The Lord not only seperated Abraham and his descendants from the rest of the people here on earth, but also he seperared from the rest of the people in the place of the dead. 

So we have Abraham's bossom, that's where Abraham went and received his offsprings when they died. 

Till the time Jesus Christ went there to give to all who believed in him (forgivness of sins and the eternal life), and take them to their Heavenly Inheritance. 

Jesus Christ died for all, so his mission was to bring the Gospel to all who had died before him from the beginning of the word. 

As Jesus had said the dead will hear his voice first. 

And the dead will rise first, because the Gospel was preach to the dead first and were the first who were invited to believed and recieved the forgiveness of sins and the eternal life and their Heavenly Inheritance.

Where in the Bible does it says that Saul and his sons at the time of their death went to be with Samuel.? Even if they went to be with Samuel, it does not mean Saul was saved from hell.

LUKE.16:19-32 says that only dead Jews in Hades/hell who had kept Moses Law were given the opportunity to hear the resurrected Jesus Christ and be saved from hell, eg beggar Lazarus, Moses and Elijah(MATTHEW.17:2 & 27:53). The rich young Jewish man ended up in Hades/hell and unsaved because he unrepentantly broke the Law at DEUTERONOMY.15:11 by refusing to provide charity to beggar Lazarus during every Sabbath-rest year.(cf 1PETER.3:19 & 4:6)

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, discipler777 said:

Where in the Bible does it says that Saul and his sons at the time of their death went to be with Samuel.?

 

In Samuel I 28:19,

"And tomorrow thou and thy sons will be with me",

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Even if they went to be with Samuel, it does not mean Saul was saved from hell.

 

Samuell When he died descended to the Bossom of Abraham, and King Saul and his Sons went in the same place where Samuell was, to be with Abraham, .

There was not Heavenly Inheritance for the people at that time. They only had the promish given to Abraham and his seed that one day their Lord God as the Christ will descend to where they were and take them to be with him forever. 

David and other Prophets testified to this event, and Jesus Christ said that Abraham has seen this day of Christ , his rapture out from the place of the dead and he rejoys. 

God gave Jesus Christ the Heaven for his inheritance, and also for his children, we are co-heirs of Heaven together with Jesus Christ. 

The Bossom of Abraham was a seperated place, a peaceful place where Abraham and his seed were waiting for the Savior to take them to Their HEAVENLY inheritance in the name of Jesus. 

After the resurection when all authority was given to Jesus Christ and God made him the Judge of all, from the beginning of the world, and that included everyone from the beginning of the world, beginning from the first man to die Abel...

Jesus said , that he is going to descend in the lowest parts of the earth, before he ascends to the very highest . 

The prophecies also said that he was found together with the kings of the earth. 

Jesus did not earn Heaven or in other words died for the Jews only but for the whole world. 

So you may understand that he went to proclaim the year of Jubily to the whole world in the place of the dead and set the prisoners and the captives free, and those who believed in him were raptured from the place of the dead unto the Heaven. 

The "Exodus" from the Spiritual captivity, the fallen inheritance to the  inheritance of the Life, of Jesus Christ the Heavenly promish land.

The promise of the coming Christ the Savior was also given to the rest of the world. 

Peter tell us that Jesus went to preach the Gospel and invite the people who had died in the flood and before that to the first man who died Abel. 

Jesus died for all, there is only one Savior for all the people of the world. 

 

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LUKE.16:19-32 says that only dead Jews in Hades/hell who had kept Moses Law were given the opportunity to hear the resurrected Jesus Christ and be saved from hell, eg beggar Lazarus, Moses and Elijah(MATTHEW.17:2 & 27:53). The rich young Jewish man ended up in Hades/hell and unsaved because he unrepentantly broke the Law at DEUTERONOMY.15:11 by refusing to provide charity to beggar Lazarus during every Sabbath-rest year.(cf 1PETER.3:19 & 4:6)

The children of Abraham before the Law also descended to the Bossom of Abraham.

Peter tells us that Jesus also preach the Gospel with the invitation to believe and be Saved even to the people who died before the flood.

John 3:16, God so loved the World, that he gave his beloved Son , so everyone who believes in him will not perise but have eternal life .

 Because there's only one Savior. 

Besides the point, we see that in the mount of configuration that Jesus revealed to the three disciples the well kept secret that Moses was taken to Heaven , jusst like Elisha did and he did not died. 

Because no one before Jesus Christ after he  died went to Heaven.

Jesus was the first one, the way , the door to Heaven. 

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1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In Samuel I 28:19,

"And tomorrow thou and thy sons will be with me",

Samuell When he died descended to the Bossom of Abraham, and King Saul and his Sons went in the same place where Samuell was, to be with Abraham, .

There was not Heavenly Inheritance for the people at that time. They only had the promish given to Abraham and his seed that one day their Lord God as the Christ will descend to where they were and take them to be with him forever. 

David and other Prophets testified to this event, and Jesus Christ said that Abraham has seen this day of Christ , his rapture out from the place of the dead and he rejoys. 

God gave Jesus Christ the Heaven for his inheritance, and also for his children, we are co-heirs of Heaven together with Jesus Christ. 

The Bossom of Abraham was a seperated place, a peaceful place where Abraham and his seed were waiting for the Savior to take them to Their HEAVENLY inheritance in the name of Jesus. 

After the resurection when all authority was given to Jesus Christ and God made him the Judge of all, from the beginning of the world, and that included everyone from the beginning of the world, beginning from the first man to die Abel...

Jesus said , that he is going to descend in the lowest parts of the earth, before he ascends to the very highest . 

The prophecies also said that he was found together with the kings of the earth. 

Jesus did not earn Heaven or in other words died for the Jews only but for the whole world. 

So you may understand that he went to proclaim the year of Jubily to the whole world in the place of the dead and set the prisoners and the captives free, and those who believed in him were raptured from the place of the dead unto the Heaven. 

The "Exodus" from the Spiritual captivity, the fallen inheritance to the  inheritance of the Life, of Jesus Christ the Heavenly promish land.

The promise of the coming Christ the Savior was also given to the rest of the world. 

Peter tell us that Jesus went to preach the Gospel and invite the people who had died in the flood and before that to the first man who died Abel. 

Jesus died for all, there is only one Savior for all the people of the world. 

 

The children of Abraham before the Law also descended to the Bossom of Abraham.

Peter tells us that Jesus also preach the Gospel with the invitation to believe and be Saved even to the people who died before the flood.

John 3:16, God so loved the World, that he gave his beloved Son , so everyone who believes in him will not perise but have eternal life .

 Because there's only one Savior. 

Besides the point, we see that in the mount of configuration that Jesus revealed to the three disciples the well kept secret that Moses was taken to Heaven , jusst like Elisha did and he did not died. 

Because no one before Jesus Christ after he  died went to Heaven.

Jesus was the first one, the way , the door to Heaven. 

   1 Sam. 28:11-20., Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
    12, And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
    13, And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
    14, And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
    15, ¶ And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets,2 nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
    16, Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
    17, And the LORD hath done to him,3 as he spake by me:4 for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: 
    18, Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. 
    19, Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines. 
    20, ¶ Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night. 

This was a familiar spirit, a demon speaking to Saul. Saul when he died went to hell where the demon is, not to Abraham's bosom.