Mike Mclees Posted November 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.81 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 10, 2019 I need a better idea about how you see the church. You say the church is perfect. I need definition. Romans say's there are none righteous, no not even one. Jesus is the only one who walked perfectly. So I have to ask are you perfect. You could say the church is made perfect through Christ sacrifice. That would be true, but if one says there is any other way then Jesus suffered the cross for nothing. Jesus came to make perfect that which could not be perfect. That is not to say we instantly never fall again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 18, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 7:04 PM, Mike Mclees said: I need a better idea about how you see the church. You say the church is perfect. I need definition. Romans say's there are none righteous, no not even one. Jesus is the only one who walked perfectly. So I have to ask are you perfect. You could say the church is made perfect through Christ sacrifice. That would be true, but if one says there is any other way then Jesus suffered the cross for nothing. Jesus came to make perfect that which could not be perfect. That is not to say we instantly never fall again. Actually, Jesus told us to be perfect (Mt.5:48), and Jesus said it's easy (Mt.11:30).....so PERFECT does not mean SINLESS.... Just wanted to point out that we CAN and SHOULD be perfect..... blessings.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revlori Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 635 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 843 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 18, 2019 On 11/24/2018 at 12:00 AM, ejected said: The church is perfect and needs no correction. If this is a real statement,or a statement in question, then of course it's wrong. For no one is perfect and absolutely we as Christians( the church) needs correction. Can I ask, to what purpose is this statement for? God bless ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted November 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,014 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,276 Content Per Day: 1.79 Reputation: 16,333 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 18, 2019 9 hours ago, BibleGuy said: Actually, Jesus told us to be perfect (Mt.5:48), and Jesus said it's easy (Mt.11:30).....so PERFECT does not mean SINLESS.... Just wanted to point out that we CAN and SHOULD be perfect..... blessings.... I was taught that perfect in the verse, "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect", actually means to be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 4:33 AM, Debp said: I was taught that perfect in the verse, "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect", actually means to be complete. Yes....complete/perfect/blameless.....Jesus is quoting Dt. 18:13, which entails our OBEDIENCE to Torah..... That's why we should be complete/perfect/blameless as we grow in faithful obedience to Torah. blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mclees Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.81 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 On 12/12/2019 at 2:26 PM, BibleGuy said: Yes....complete/perfect/blameless.....Jesus is quoting Dt. 18:13, which entails our OBEDIENCE to Torah..... That's why we should be complete/perfect/blameless as we grow in faithful obedience to Torah. blessings... explain what you mean by complete. are any here complete? Or are we being perfected? what is obedience to Torah? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 Blessings Mike Amazing how you can pick right up from 3 months ago-I lose my train of thought after 10 minutes,lol Good question though,maybe law keeping huh?Grace & works.....waiting,waiting,maybe he'll respond With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Christian 1985 Posted March 29, 2020 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/22/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2020 amazon.com/s?k=9781641407922&ref=nb_sb_noss "#Church" is arguably the most misunderstood and abused word in the English language. ("the church, Which is HIS BODY" Eph. 1:22-23) That goofy-looking building with a steeple is NOT a 'church', it is a man-exalting tradition stemming all the way back to the Tower of #Babel. "#Christ is NOT divided", #Christianity IS! (#Satan knows the rules of warfare- DIVIDE in order to conquer!) The church is Christ dispensed as the #Spirit into His believer's spirits!!! The PERFECT wife would be someone who is genetically IDENTICAL to her husband! Being identical to Him, she expresses Him perfectly, yet being a separate entity, she can RETURN His love. THIS is how the Lord is building HIS church. THIS is the PURPOSE of ALL of CREATION: that God would build (Eve being built out of Adam is a type of this) a counterpart/wife <WHO chooses to belong to HIM> for Himself for eternity future!!! Christianity, the Religion 1. BABYLON, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS In this section I must implore you, the reader, to set aside your natural concepts. I must re-emphasize that such concepts will lead you to consider good as always being from God, causing you to be fooled by Satan's master work. If you want to see things from the spiritual point of view‑ the reality behind the outward appearance‑ you must lay aside personal opinion in order to have an open mind, especially in the subject that we will now consider. All that I ask is that your evaluation of what I have to say be objective, rational, and honest. It is not my intention to criticize any individuals or to question their sincerity‑ that is between them and the Lord‑ but it is necessary that I expose certain categories of people, so if the shoe fits so be it. From this point on, understand that whenever the term "Christianity" is used in this book, it does not include Roman Catholicism; Christianity will refer to all organized religion that is ostensibly following Christ and that does not contain any heretical teachings or practices. Catholicism is not even a Christian religion. Author's Note: There are two women at the end of this age who claim to have a relationship with Christ. One woman is the pure, holy, spotless, and without wrinkles bride of Christ. Nothing indicates her size; only her purity and singleness of heart are portrayed. The other woman is a great harlot with many daughters. She claims Christ as her husband, but is in reality married to the satanic world system. She is depicted as great, powerful, world‑wide, rich, and full of fornication and idolatry. At the time of the uploading of this book (2000), the most accurate estimates are that the priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church has an HIV‑AIDS infection rate somewhere between 8 and 11 times that of the general population. This is pure, and this is holy? Again, which of these two women is the accurate depiction of the Roman Catholic Church? COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!!! THIS IS THE DESPARATE PLEA OF OUR HUSBAND TO ALL OF HIS LOVERS TO SEPARATE THEMSEVES FROM ALL OF THE WORLD SYSTEM!!! WHY??? SO THAT THEY BE MARRIED NOW IN THEIR BEING TO HIM!!! Who are the harlot daughters of Babylon? In order to realize the answer to this question, we must realize the Scriptural implications of the word 'harlot.' According to Ezekiel Chapter 16, Jeremiah Chapter 51, and Isaiah Chapter 47, a harlot in the eye of God is one who claims to belong to God but is in actuality unfaithful due to prostituting herself to the world system. A harlot in God's eyes, then, is anyone who pollutes the things of God by mixing them with the things of the world. There is, however, one very important difference between the Old Testament descriptions of Israel's harlotry and the descriptions of this New Testament harlot. Whereas Israel was an unfaithful wife who could legitimately claim God as her husband, the Lord has never recognized any claim made upon him by Babylon. Consequently, He refers to her as "that woman," "the great whore," and "a woman." Babylon can never legitimately claim to be the Lord's purpose or intention. If you are a believer in Babylon, most likely you have been told that as long as you are saved, everything is okay: you will be raptured to heaven before the Tribulation starts and live happily ever after. Do you know what the main purpose of the Tribulation is? The main purpose of the Tribulation is not, strictly speaking, to punish the world. The judgment of the world occurs after the Tribulation. Why does God allow the bad time of the Tribulation to occur‑ is God cruel? Certainly not! The main purpose of the Tribulation is to mature in Christ the majority of Christians, who have allowed so many things to interfere with their spiritual growth. As we will see in Chapter Nine, most Christians will still be here on the Earth during the Tribulation. Do not accept the lie that as long as you are saved, your problems are over. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Rev. 18:4 Intl. Greek) 1. Religion is man's attempt to please God with his own capability. The source of religion is the self (the natural man), the expression of the fallen nature of man's flesh upon his corrupted soul. 2. In total opposition to religion is Jesus Christ, the complete God and perfect man. This is God's provision for man to believe into and receive in order to fully meet every requirement and desire of God‑ to thoroughly enable man to become fully one with God in life and nature (but NOT in His Godhead) in order to co‑inhere with the Triune God for eternity. 3. If my dear brothers and sisters in religion were in reality following the living, present person of Christ Himself they would not be divided. Instead, they have become captives of an evil counterfeit system. Their hearts have deceived them into ‘doing what is right in their own minds’- resulting in worshipping God according to their concept and preference. Even the unbelievers know this, their accurate observation is: "If Jesus Christ is real, then why are there so many kinds of Christians?" "Come out of her, my people" is His urgent call. Do not try to improve or change her, come out of her. The oneness among believers is what we value the least, and what Satan fears the most. My dearest eternal family (those in Babylon still), will you forsake your opinions and preferences so that the Lord can use you as material for the fulfillment of the greatest prophesy in the Bible: "I will build my church". Open up to and pray over John 17:20‑21 to the Lord and may He impart this ultimate desire of His heart into your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Von Posted July 13, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1,265 Topics Per Day: 0.44 Content Count: 2,637 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 760 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/04/1972 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 11/24/2018 at 3:00 AM, ejected said: The church is perfect and needs no correction. Sorry, but I don't agree. Only Jesus Christ needs no correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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