Those Days Will Be Shortened

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

Here's something else to think about...

With the increase of violence, the rapid decline of moral values, the absolute arrogance of so many that have to have it their way in these last days, just to mention a few, ...how about the "days being shortened" means that a second of time, which "we" use to measure time, is no longer the same value as it was 10, 20, 50 years ago, the time value of a day is shorter than we "experienced" before, those of you that are older, is not the time "passing" much more quickly than it did 50 years ago? 

Just my 2 cents, not saying it's correct, ...just thinking, the math is still the same, just the values of the numbers have been changed, did not Einstein say Time is Relative, ...nothing is impossible for God.

I've considered the notion that 24 hour days are shortened to a lesser amount of time but I'm not sure how that addresses the idea of life being saved.  Something changes that causes the great tribulation, where a multitude beyond number are martyred, to become a lesser "survivable tribulation" for the duration of the 42 months, a change that takes place at the sixth seal.  I don't see shorter days accomplishing that.

[JustPassingThru]

4 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I've considered the notion that 24 hour days are shortened to a lesser amount of time but I'm not sure how that addresses the idea of life being saved.  Something changes that causes the great tribulation, where a multitude beyond number are martyred, to become a lesser "survivable tribulation" for the duration of the 42 months, a change that takes place at the sixth seal.  I don't see shorter days accomplishing that.

Today everyone is remarking how time is passing by so fast, even children, for us, as children, the days were sooo long, ...as for what I've quoted you saying doesn't much matter to me, ...one, I'll be in Heaven watching it unfold on a giant flat screen and two, those that tried to predict/guess the future will see how wrong they were and then be able to see what God's intended plan really is.

[Dennis1209]

Just something for consideration and it's a little complex. We know the day count is set in concrete and will not be changed, seven Jewish years of 360 days for the tribulation, agreed? If those days were not shortened, is it possible the 24 hour day count could be shortened by 1/3? 

Revelation 8:12 (KJV) And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

This is a reduction of eight (8) hours of daily. It's a very long boring detailed explanation, but it all boils down to; what if the Antichrist tinkers with the "time" and seasons, to synchronize with the new day / night cycles. The reasons would be beneficial for his goals and in all the confusion, everyone would be on the same page (clock). 

I've always held on to the traditional view, that if the tribulation lasted more than seven years it would wipe out all flesh. But it's well known and established in the O.T. the length of the 'time of Jacob's trouble', 'Daniel's 70th week and the tribulation time period. Why would Jesus mention "if the days were not shortened"? It would seem something extraordinary is going to occur, not to mention all the supernatural events taking place.

That's just something I ran across that seems to be plausible and possible to consider, tinkering with time and the 24 hour day due to the changing of the climate and day / night cycles?

[Steve Conley]

23 hours ago, Last Daze said:

How can the beast wage war for 42 months when there is no one left to wage war against?

If you agree that the 42 month duration is not shortened, and Christ comes for those who are His in the rapture before the end of the 42 months, then who is the beast waging war against for the duration?

That's why it makes more sense to me that the time of great persecution of the saints is shortened through the activities of the elect (2 witnesses, 144,000) rather than for the sake of the remaining elect (those who are Christ's) through the rapture.

If there's no one left to persecute, doesn't that effectively shorten the 42 month war against the saints?  No saints, no war.

Greetings to all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Last Daze, the Beast's 42 months begins with the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem in which his immediate focus is the saints and Jews in Judaea. After that, the unprecedented persecution will spread throughout the world. When it appears that he will extinguish all the elect from the earth those of us who are left alive are rescued in the rapture. He then endures the plagues of the trumpet and vial judgments, at the end of which, he gathers the nations to fight against the Lamb. The Lamb destroys the nations that follow Him and casts him into a lake of fire.

All through this period, the woman, a portion of Israel, is hidden, fed, and protected in the wilderness. Also, the beast will be plagued by the two witnesses until they are slain. There will also be 144,000 Israelite men who are virgins that remain upon the earth through a period of the wrath of day of the Lord. They will be sealed for protection from the wrath of God.

Christ, in verse 22, is emphasizing the severity of that persecution not teaching that the elect stop the persecution.

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Glory be to Jesus Christ

[Montana Marv]

42 minutes ago, Steve Conley said:

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

Have you considered  Rev 8:7b - The first angel sounded his trumpet.... A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. Rev 8:20 - The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

Excessive heat over the earth followed by a reduction in daylight, more cooling.  Those days have been shortened, by a third, to save the elect.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[Diaste]

What if it was as simple as the duration of existing conditions is shortened?

[Steve Conley]

8 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Have you considered  Rev 8:7b - The first angel sounded his trumpet.... A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. Rev 8:20 - The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

Excessive heat over the earth followed by a reduction in daylight, more cooling.  Those days have been shortened, by a third, to save the elect.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

What if it was as simple as the duration of existing conditions is shortened?

Greetings to all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The verse says that the days of unprecedented persecution that Jesus began to describe in verse 9 ("those days") are shortened. Jesus continues to say what would result if the time of unprecedented persecution was not shortened. He says, if that was the case, none of the persecuted, the elect, would be physically left alive. In verse 29, Jesus continues, telling us of the event which signals that the persecution is over. When the sun, moon, and stars go dark the great tribulation is over. Joel tells us that the sun, moon, and stars going dark is the cosmic sign which precedes the day of the Lord. Jesus says that He will be seen coming in the clouds of heaven after the cosmic sign. The cosmic sign heralds Christ's arrival. He comes in power and glory with the mighty angels. All the earth dwellers who had been persecuting us will begin to flee and hide at that time (Rev 6:12-17). Paul tells us that Christ will begin to tribulate the earth dwellers who had been persecuting us at that time (2Thes 1:6). The great tribulation is shortened (ended) by Christ's arrival at which time all the saints are resurrected and together with those of us who are alive and remain shall be raptured to meet Christ in the air.

Glory be to Jesus Christ

[Diaste]

39 minutes ago, Steve Conley said:

 

Greetings to all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The verse says that the days of unprecedented persecution that Jesus began to describe in verse 9 ("those days") are shortened. Jesus continues to say what would result if the time of unprecedented persecution was not shortened. He says, if that was the case, none of the persecuted, the elect, would be physically left alive. In verse 29, Jesus continues, telling us of the event which signals that the persecution is over. When the sun, moon, and stars go dark the great tribulation is over. Joel tells us that the sun, moon, and stars going dark is the cosmic sign which precedes the day of the Lord. Jesus says that He will be seen coming in the clouds of heaven after the cosmic sign. The cosmic sign heralds Christ's arrival. He comes in power and glory with the mighty angels. All the earth dwellers who had been persecuting us will begin to flee and hide at that time (Rev 6:12-17). Paul tells us that Christ will begin to tribulate the earth dwellers who had been persecuting us at that time (2Thes 1:6). The great tribulation is shortened (ended) by Christ's arrival at which time all the saints are resurrected and together with those of us who are alive and remain shall be raptured to meet Christ in the air.

Glory be to Jesus Christ

Truth.

[Montana Marv]

17 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

The verse says that the days of unprecedented persecution that Jesus began to describe in verse 9 ("those days") are shortened.

Steve

Wrong verse placement;  Matt 24:22 refers back to verse 21, not verse 9.  Then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world....  It is because of these days of great distress that the days need to be shortened, Not persecution.  All this happens after the A/D is set up in verse 15.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Steve Conley]

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Steve

Wrong verse placement;  Matt 24:22 refers back to verse 21, not verse 9.  Then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world....  It is because of these days of great distress that the days need to be shortened, Not persecution.  All this happens after the A/D is set up in verse 15.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Greetings to all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

MM, Jesus makes it rather clear what “great tribulation” is in Matt 24, if one will simply observe the time-related words and the connecting adverbs, like “therefore”.

 

Mat 24:3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? [Note that the context of Christ's answer is the end of the age, the time period of His parousia]
Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9   Then [following the beginning of sorrows] shall they deliver you up to be afflicted [thlipsis], and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10  And then [during this persecution] shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then [when the gospel has been preached in all the world] shall the end come.
Mat 24:15  When [the timing of the defiling of the temple spoken of by Daniel] ye therefore [refers back to the persecution that follows the beginning of sorrows in verse 9] shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16  Then [at the defiling of the temple, the abomination of desolation, which begins unprecedented persecution] let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21  For then [at the defiling of the temple] shall be great tribulation [thlipsis], such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23  Then [during this unprecedented persecution] if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26  Wherefore [because of false Christs] if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29  Immediately after [at once, following the unprecedented persecution] the tribulation [thlipsis] of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30  And then [subsequent to the cosmic sign] shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then [at the appearing of Christ] shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

I hope this helps you to see that great tribulation is the unprecedented persecution of the elect and Israel and not the wrath of God poured out upon the day of the Lord after the great tribulation is over.

 

Glory be unto Jesus Christ

Edited December 1, 2018 by Steve Conley