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1 hour ago, Butero said:

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?  Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?  Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?  And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness, and he was called the Friend of God.  Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.  Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?  For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.  James 2:20-26  

Abraham and Rahab were both justified by works.  See how easy that was for me to back up what I said with scripture!

 You didnt prove anything. Being justified by faith only is not a contridiction to faith without works. They compliment each other beautifully.

I provided you scripture. We are NOT JUSTIFIED BY WORKS. Works is the work of the Holy Spirit! 

"Faith without works is dead" is a true statement because the SPIRIT WITHIN CREATES THE CORRECT WORKS but if it is YOU that does those works to be saved, you are no better than a dead man. 

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1 hour ago, Butero said:

Those who attack those things as being the work of the devil are guilty of the unpardonable sin and shall never be forgiven in this life or the next

I gave you one example of what I was talking about. THAT is indeed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Why you go on to pontificate? 

1 hour ago, Butero said:

Nobody has come close to proving me wrong.  I just proved you wrong about being justified by works.  You claimed I couldn't give scripture to show that, and I did.  Now that you have been proven wrong, are you going to admit it?  If you don't come back and make excuses and twist the scriptures, I would be in a state of shock.  

There are all those " I's"  again.  Careful. You are in danger of being puffed up.

No. You didnt prove me wrong with a scripture that is speaking on the result of true faith. You actually cemented what I was saying!  I dont twist scripture. 

Come back and make excuses? State of shock? Arent we debating the subject and not attacking people on here? 

You need to examine your fruit.

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its really interesting no one wanted to comment on any of the scriptures i posted.   i guess its hard to say scripture says something else when its staring right at you. 

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19 hours ago, Cletus said:

Joh 15:6  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Jas 5:19  Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20  Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Rev 2:3  And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 3:11  Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Rev 3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 3:16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mar 13:13  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

1Co 9:27  But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

2Pe 1:10  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Rom 2:6  Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7  To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8  But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10  But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11  For there is no respect of persons with God.

Eze 18:24  But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
Eze 18:25  Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
Eze 18:26  When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Eze 18:27  Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

1Co 10:12  Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Rom 8:12  Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Heb 3:12  Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13  But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14  For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 3:15  While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Heb 3:16  For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17  But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18  And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19  So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

2Th 2:3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

One at a time bro.

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2 hours ago, Butero said:

I am sure that there are things that take place in charismatic churches that are not of God, but there are genuine healings and moves of the Spirit too.  Those who attack those things as being the work of the devil are guilty of the unpardonable sin and shall never be forgiven in this life or the next.  Nobody has come close to proving me wrong.  I just proved you wrong about being justified by works.  You claimed I couldn't give scripture to show that, and I did.  Now that you have been proven wrong, are you going to admit it?  If you don't come back and make excuses and twist the scriptures, I would be in a state of shock.  

Anyone who preaches Grace salvation whether on strange forums or youtube has the truth. Their testimony proves you wrong.

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Nobody is going to change minds in here......You guys who believe in NOSAS are sure you are right. I believe that I am right......I understand those that disagree with me.They are not evil.They are not stupid.I don’t think it is a matter of pride. They have ample Scripture to make their case.So does my side. If I am mistaken, I pray to God that He straighten me out.I also pray for the others side- if they are wrong , I pray God straightens Them out too.I think that is the best we can do.PrAy for each other.If I am wrong, I want to know.I trust that mature Believers who disagree with my take on things will want to be enlightened if they are wrong.Newbies to the Faith or wannabes to the faith should check out both sides and decide for themselves. For a good summary of what the Grace preachers are teaching google the following.....” you tube Ralph arnold is salvation forever” If Butero would respond with his favorite, representable preacher, now would be a good time to turn us on to him.

 

I am a computer dotard......still......I tried to send the address only but this came up.....would some kind soul move it to where it belongs.....thanks

 

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4 hours ago, 1sheep said:

 You didnt prove anything. Being justified by faith only is not a contridiction to faith without works. They compliment each other beautifully.

I provided you scripture. We are NOT JUSTIFIED BY WORKS. Works is the work of the Holy Spirit! 

"Faith without works is dead" is a true statement because the SPIRIT WITHIN CREATES THE CORRECT WORKS but if it is YOU that does those works to be saved, you are no better than a dead man. 

The scripture states that Abraham and Rahab were justified by works in addition to faith.  That is what it says, and you claimed I couldn't show that using scripture.  You were wrong!  

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4 hours ago, 1sheep said:

I gave you one example of what I was talking about. THAT is indeed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Why you go on to pontificate? 

There are all those " I's"  again.  Careful. You are in danger of being puffed up.

No. You didnt prove me wrong with a scripture that is speaking on the result of true faith. You actually cemented what I was saying!  I dont twist scripture. 

Come back and make excuses? State of shock? Arent we debating the subject and not attacking people on here? 

You need to examine your fruit.

"I" couldn't care less about the stupid charges of pride or being puffed up by you or anyone else.  "I" am using the "I" because it shows that "I" proved "You" wrong!  "I" did not cement anything "you" said.  "I" proved that "you" are wrong!  Nothing I said was a personal attack, however "you" accusing me of being puffed up was a personal attack.  

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2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Nobody is going to change minds in here......You guys who believe in NOSAS are sure you are right. I believe that I am right......I understand those that disagree with me.They are not evil.They are not stupid.I don’t think it is a matter of pride. They have ample Scripture to make their case.So does my side. If I am mistaken, I pray to God that He straighten me out.I also pray for the others side- if they are wrong , I pray God straightens Them out too.I think that is the best we can do.PrAy for each other.If I am wrong, I want to know.I trust that mature Believers who disagree with my take on things will want to be enlightened if they are wrong.Newbies to the Faith or wannabes to the faith should check out both sides and decide for themselves. For a good summary of what the Grace preachers are teaching google the following.....” you tube Ralph arnold is salvation forever” If Butero would respond with his favorite, representable preacher, now would be a good time to turn us on to him.

 

I am a computer dotard......still......I tried to send the address only but this came up.....would some kind soul move it to where it belongs.....thanks

 

I can't respond with my favorite YouTube video because it is a violation of the rules to post links like this.  

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2 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Anyone who preaches Grace salvation whether on strange forums or youtube has the truth. Their testimony proves you wrong.

How does their testimony prove me wrong?  

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