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Acts 3:1 ..........silver and gold have we none......

How can that possibly be with all the thousands of folks getting saved and paying tithes?

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One cannot get to Heaven by paying tithes. 

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On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 8:16 AM, ejected said:

Acts 3:1 ..........silver and gold have we none......

How can that possibly be with all the thousands of folks getting saved and paying tithes?

Seriously? You think Jesus and His disciples were collecting tithes? 

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Another point to consider is that the money wasn't his. Following the pattern that Jesus gave them, they had a 'common purse'. This belonged to everyone and no one. The funds were used as the group/leader agreed upon. 

The early church didn't 'pay tithes', rather they sold EVERYTHING that they had and gave it to the apostle (Acts 2:44-45). Nothing was their own, rather it was the communities. Whatever was the need of the community, they would use the money from the common purse to provide for that need.

Makes you think: If that is what the first century Christians did, then why isn't the church today doing this?

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The Church was being born and structured … what this reality suggest to me was the intense nature of the miracles and you know the people were grateful-so then this question better-:
Why did they not take the money that would have been offered them at that time? Where in the quiet The Bible does not speak loudness is heard....

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5 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The Church was being born and structured … what this reality suggest to me was the intense nature of the miracles and you know the people were grateful-so then this question better-:
Why did they not take the money that would have been offered them at that time? Where in the quiet The Bible does not speak loudness is heard....

There were prohibitions in place at the temple which is where this took place

"a man may not go into the mountain of the house, with his staff (in his hands); nor with shoes (on his feet); nor with his girdle, and his money in it; nor with a bag thrown over his shoulders; nor with dust upon his feet; nor might he make it, קפנדריא, "a thoroughfare", and much less spit in it.'' 

(h) Misn. Beracot, c. 9. sect. 5. Vid. T. Bab. Beracot, fol. 62. 2. & Yebamot, fol. 6. 2. & Midrash Kohelet, fol. 70. 3. & Maimon. Hilch. Beth Habbechira, c. 7. sect. 1, 2, 3. (copied from John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible)

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Now please, don't throw rocks,

Tithing is and Old Testament rule given to the children of Israel, ...it was completed/accomplished when Jesus cried out on the Cross, "IT (the Old Testament) is finished!"

For the Church Jesus taught us we give out of our need, i.e. the widow's mite, many in the church are too poor to give 10%, ...but, Jesus taught us to serve people and in so doing we are tithing our time, our resources, as we mature in the Lord, as we become more and more conformed into His Image, we will give more and more of ourselves, His money, our time, the resources and talents that He has given us until we are giving 100%, ...no greater love can a man/woman demonstrate than to give their lives for another, and that another is whoever Jesus brings into our lives or tells us to help.

Lord bless

  

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On 1/2/2019 at 5:07 AM, UnprofitableServantJames said:

Another point to consider is that the money wasn't his. Following the pattern that Jesus gave them, they had a 'common purse'. This belonged to everyone and no one. The funds were used as the group/leader agreed upon. 

The early church didn't 'pay tithes', rather they sold EVERYTHING that they had and gave it to the apostle (Acts 2:44-45). Nothing was their own, rather it was the communities. Whatever was the need of the community, they would use the money from the common purse to provide for that need.

Makes you think: If that is what the first century Christians did, then why isn't the church today doing this?

Only the church at Jerusalem did this.  Since people sold their land and all they had just to feed everyone, there was nothing saved or stored when the famine came.  So only a short time later you find Paul taking up offering to send to them while he was establishing other churches.  So it was perhaps the first failure of communism.  The poverty in Russia and other communist nations show that not much has changed.  

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On 1/2/2019 at 8:43 PM, Cletus said:

Act 3:6  Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Act 3:7  And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
Act 3:8  And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.
Act 3:9  And all the people saw him walking and praising God:
Act 3:10  And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

 

today the church has money... but no miracles.  we have money for projectors and marquee signs out front, nice parkinglots and landscaping.  where are the miracles? 

 

If the church is doing it’s job, the miracles should be changed lives.

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6 hours ago, Willa said:

Only the church at Jerusalem did this.  Since people sold their land and all they had just to feed everyone, there was nothing saved or stored when the famine came.  So only a short time later you find Paul taking up offering to send to them while he was establishing other churches.  So it was perhaps the first failure of communism.  The poverty in Russia and other communist nations show that not much has changed.  

I am not to convinced that only the church in Jerusalem did this, since this is the same pattern that Jesus set up for His followers (Luke 14:33) (Luke 8:1).

I don't think we need to save or store things in order for us to survive. Jesus actually gives a parable telling people NOT to do this, and He says if we "seek first the Kingdom of God and all His Righteousness, then all the basic necessities in life will be provided for". In this same passage Jesus says that we shouldn't store any treasures on Earth, rather we should store our treasures in heaven. If we have faith in God, then He will provide for us, AS long as we seek His Kingdom FIRST.

The issue with what is happening with communism is how they aren't motivated by love, un-like Jesus and the first century Christians were. People today are motivated by greed, so no matter the political view, these same issues will arise until we weed out the 'root of ALL evil..." Money.

In peace

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