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7 hours ago, Cletus said:

I do not have to imagine anything, all i need to do is look around.  its already happening.  and apostasia has nothing to do with rapture.

G646
ἀποστασία
apostasia
ap-os-tas-ee'-ah
Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): - falling away, forsake.
Total KJV occurrences: 2


it is you who are imagining as none of the words to signify Jesus' return is found in that scripture... phanerosis, epiphaneia, apokalysis, hemera, rapturo. 

 

I guess I will have to do your home work for you. YOU did well, but did not dig deep enough.

It is a compound word - "apo" and "stasia."

Here is what Strong's says about "apo:

"of separation;  of local separation, 

after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing,...

of separation of a part from the whole where of a whole some part is taken

of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

of a state of separation, that is of distance

physical, of distance of place"

 

At the rapture, will some part of the entire population be taken? You know the answer is YES.

Will those taken be separated by DISTANCE? Again the answer is YES. 

The other part of the compound word 'stasia" is where we get "stationary" or "not moving" from.

Putting these two words together then can certainly mean a part of a whole group suddenly moved from where they were to a new location, and it happen so fast, the rest of the whole group seems stationary - not moving.

Go ahead and look: don't take my word for it: in 3b, is the man of sin revealed then, or not?

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11 hours ago, Cletus said:

That is some imagination you have there. 

I guess you are saying, you know more about The New Testament Greek than Paul or Strong knew. 

Somehow I doubt that! I just copied and pasted. What you read came right out of Strong's concordance. Perhaps you need to dig a little deeper.

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3 hours ago, Cletus said:

the imaginative portion does not come from strongs but from your explanation/interpretation of what strongs said.  You are reaching with go go gadget arms.  strongs and also paul do not say did not say and are not saying what you say. 

 

Straight from Strongs:  "of separation of a part from the whole where of a whole some part is taken"

From the whole population of the world,  will a part of this whole be raptured and taken to a different location?

Doesn't this sound just like what will happen at the rapture?

Is it any wonder then that the first several translations into English used the word "departing?"

In other words, according to Paul, there must FIRST come a very significant departing before the man of sin can be revealed.

Paul said it another way: the one restraining, holding back the man of sin must be taken out of the way before the revealing.

You must imagine a falling away is a taking away and that evil can restrain evil. 

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5 hours ago, Cletus said:

First of all, no.  its clear to see rapturo the actual word for rapture means "caught up" as in caught up in the clouds.... not falling, not falling away.   the meanings here are polar opposites.  the word you are attempting to understand is referring to apostasy... which means to fall away, abandon the faith, walk away or departing from the faith..  it in no way refers to the rapture.  we see evidence of this all around us and even backed up by scripture.  people not enduring sound doctrine, itching ears, etc, etc.  this great falling away is already happening. 

YOu seem to be STUCK in the King James poor translation! Just replace "falling away" with departing or departure, and you will be right.  And worse yet, you are ad libbing - adding to the text what is not there. Are you just parroting what others have said, or are you looking this up for yourself?  The truth you are missing is, there is to WHAT is being departed FROM. You imagine Paul meant "from the faith" but you cannot get that meaning from "apostasia." If Paul had meant a falling away from the faith, He would have had to add "from the faith."  All that is in that word is a departing. But there is more to it that just a departing. It is a compound word.

Have you ever wondered why Paul wrote, "and now you know?"  (Verse 6)

Please tell us why you think Paul wrote those words.

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On 12/8/2018 at 1:21 PM, JoeCanada said:

Prophecy from 2Thes 2:3 happening now.

In 2 Thes 2:3, the Apostle Paul warned that " Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first.....

Well, it's happening now.....And in a big way.

“Between 6,000 and 10,000 churches in the U.S. are dying each year” 

"America is littered with thousands upon thousands of church buildings that aren’t being used anymore.  As you will see below, between 6,000 and 10,000 churches are dying in the United States every single year, and that means that more than 100 will die this week alone.  And of course thousands of others are on life support.  All over the country this weekend, small handfuls of people will gather in huge buildings which once boasted very large congregations.  At one time, America was widely considered to be “a Christian nation”, but that really isn’t true anymore."

"Today, less than 20 percent of all Americans attend church on a regular basis."

"just 10 percent of all young adults were “religiously unaffiliated”, but now that number has jumped all the way to 39 percent…"

"We are living at a time when there is a mass exodus from the Christian faith in America, and it is likely going to take something quite dramatic to reverse that trend.

In 1776, every European American, with the exception of about 2,500 Jews, identified himself or herself as a Christian. Moreover, approximately 98 percent of the colonists were Protestants, with the remaining 1.9 percent being Roman Catholics.

Not only did early Americans identify themselves as Christians, but nearly all of them regularly attended church.

Now our society is moving very rapidly in the exact opposite direction, and many believe that this has tremendous implications for the future of our nation.

You can read the article here:

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/between-6000-and-10000-churches-in-the-u-s-are-dying-each-year-and-that-means-that-over-100-will-die-this-week

If these statistics really are true, my heart is heavy and very grieved.  It makes me want to sob for our nation!  O Lord have mercy on us!  There truly will be only a remnant.  I say that not with pride but with great sadness and mourning.  :'(   ?

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On 12/20/2018 at 7:40 PM, iamlamad said:

Make no mistake: while some fall away here, millions are coming to the Lord in Africa, China, etc. The true church is growing, not shrinking.

When we all get to heaven and can ask Paul, we will find out Paul did not mean  "a falling away" but rather a catching away as in a departure (from the earth).

What you saying makes no sense

He (Christ) is not coming until He comes,crazy!

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4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

YOu seem to be STUCK in the King James poor translation! Just replace "falling away" with departing or departure, and you will be right. 

Okay let's do that

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a departing, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

 

It's still a departure from the truth

 

Soooo let's replace that with rapture

 

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a rapture, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

 

According to rapturist, is not His coming the rapture? So can you see how this sounds?

Christ is not coming to rapture you until He raptures you,again,makes no sense...

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So when is the man of sin revealed,before or after you all are gone?

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5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Okay let's do that

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a departing, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

 

It's still a departure from the truth

 

Soooo let's replace that with rapture

 

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a rapture, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

 

According to rapturist, is not His coming the rapture? So can you see how this sounds?

Christ is not coming to rapture you until He raptures you,again,makes no sense...

It makes a LOT of sense, if you understand what Paul is teaching us. 

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [that day that is coming - that day cruel with wrath and fierce anger - that day that will lay the land desolate - that day where God will destroy the sinners out of the earth] shall not come except there come the rapture, [the day where Jesus will come to the air and will remove His Bride from the earth, taking them "out of the way" to safety in heaven - because He will not set any appointments for us with His wrath] and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" 

This is Paul's intent.  But I think you already knew it, you just can't believe it.  You have to ADD to scripture to come up with a departure "from truth." Paul did not add that. He only wrote "apostasia" which is a departing, but did not tell us what was being departed from what. However, in context Paul DID tell us, for his them is His coming and the gathering. The departing is the gathering. 

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5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

So when is the man of sin revealed,before or after you all are gone?

Just believe what Paul wrote: the church must be "taken out of the way" before the man of sin can be revealed.

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