BeauJangles Posted July 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 31, 2019 52 minutes ago, Daughters of Thunder said: If the shroud helps someone to believe, then it is a good thing. Otherwise, it is of no matter. Feed His sheep! Well Alicia, this is true. But, when you do a comparative of scripture to the flimsy scientific evidence, 1+1 does not equate as = 2. Meaning which, the shroud is an interesting forgery. Just saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted June 23, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,085 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted June 23, 2020 The clothe does show the wounds Jesus had. But, we do not know if the person in it was Jesus. How would an artist with medieval methods produce that clothe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 7, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Theerecis evidence of a shroud, and possible evidence of the Shroud of Turin in Scripture: “and the face-cloth which had been on Jesus’ face, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.” (John 20:7) The question is weither it had his face imprinted on it. Edited July 7, 2020 by Fidei Defensor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted July 7, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,085 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted July 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said: Theerecis evidence of a shroud, and possible evidence of the Shroud of Turin in Scripture: “and the face-cloth which had been on Jesus’ face, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.” (John 20:7) The question is weither it had his face imprinted on it. Since, the rappings are common to that time period ( a guess ) and there is no record of ownership or his name on it --- one can only guess. But, I do know no one has been able to duplicate what is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 7, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Daniel Marsh said: Since, the rappings are common to that time period ( a guess ) and there is no record of ownership or his name on it --- one can only guess. But, I do know no one has been able to duplicate what is there. True, it is like trying to find The True Cross among so many crosses, especially after Titus had 500 Jew crucified a day in 70 A.D., “Five hundred Jews were crucified each day. The Mount of Olives and the craggy hills around the city were so crowded with crucifixes that there was scarcely room for any more, nor trees to make them. Titus' soldiers amused themselves by nailing their victims splayed and spread-eagled in absurd positions.” (Simon Sebag Montefiore, Jerusalem: The Biography, pgs 3-4, 7-8, Copyright 2011). Perhaps the most unique relic would have been the plaque that read “Jesus of Nazerath, King of the Jews,” in Hebrew, Latin and Greek. That is something definitively marked that you could tell apart from other sign posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted July 7, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,085 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said: True, it is like trying to find The True Cross among so many crosses, especially after Titus had 500 Jew crucified a day in 70 A.D., “Five hundred Jews were crucified each day. The Mount of Olives and the craggy hills around the city were so crowded with crucifixes that there was scarcely room for any more, nor trees to make them. Titus' soldiers amused themselves by nailing their victims splayed and spread-eagled in absurd positions.” (Simon Sebag Montefiore, Jerusalem: The Biography, pgs 3-4, 7-8, Copyright 2011). Perhaps the most unique relic would have been the plaque that read “Jesus of Nazerath, King of the Jews,” in Hebrew, Latin and Greek. That is something definitively marked that you could tell apart from other sign posts. I wonder how much trouble one would get into today for putting up that sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 7, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, Daniel Marsh said: I wonder how much trouble one would get into today for putting up that sign? Well firstly, four Catholic reliquires would claim to have the Sign in Spain, Italy, and France. Just like there are three spears that pierced Christ’s side scattered across Europe, and four holy grails. There is no way to easily authenticate a relic. Its purely on the basis of faith, that this is the one. As for the shroud, I am pretty sure Christ didn’t imprint his face oh head scarf during His time in The Tomb. The more realistic possibikity is the legend of Veronica wiping Jesus’ face with a scarf and it leaving a blodd stsined outline of his face. The problrm is Veonica is a story of traditio , not verified in Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadworm Posted August 3, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 300 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2020 This thread is further evidence that evangelicals tend to live in their myopic doctrinal Ghetto and lack the integrity to challenge their doctrinal agendas by stepping out of their Ghetto to launch an honest inquiry. Thus, no one posting in this thread has bothered to google "New Evidence for the Shroud of Turin" and "The Sudarium ("facecloth" of Oviedo. If they had, they'd encounter electrifying new evidence for the authenticity of both the Shroud and the Facecloth. Among other things, they'd learn that secular scientists who discredited the Shroud in the 1970s later recanted when confronted with new evidence and came to accept the authenticity of both cloths. On what grounds? Many! Actually do some research and report on the results. Or do you not value the redemptive blood of Jesus enough to study whether that blood is on both the Shroud and the Facecloth with the same blood type AD and in the same blood spatter pattern, with evidence of the marks of an ancient Roman flagrum used to beat Jesus. New dating methods now date the Shroud to a range that includes the time of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted August 3, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,652 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2020 The last I heard was that it was used in the burial of a person who had been crucified near the century that Christ had been crucified, but there is no way of knowing who it had been wrapped around. The chances of it being the Christ are one in many hundreds perhaps because of the number of crucifixions that took place in the decades following the birth of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted August 3, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted August 3, 2020 15 hours ago, Deadworm said: This thread is further evidence that evangelicals tend to live in their myopic doctrinal Ghetto and lack the integrity to challenge their doctrinal agendas by stepping out of their Ghetto to launch an honest inquiry. Thus, no one posting in this thread has bothered to google "New Evidence for the Shroud of Turin" and "The Sudarium ("facecloth" of Oviedo. If they had, they'd encounter electrifying new evidence for the authenticity of both the Shroud and the Facecloth. Among other things, they'd learn that secular scientists who discredited the Shroud in the 1970s later recanted when confronted with new evidence and came to accept the authenticity of both cloths. On what grounds? Many! Actually do some research and report on the results. Or do you not value the redemptive blood of Jesus enough to study whether that blood is on both the Shroud and the Facecloth with the same blood type AD and in the same blood spatter pattern, with evidence of the marks of an ancient Roman flagrum used to beat Jesus. New dating methods now date the Shroud to a range that includes the time of Jesus. This post is needlessly insulting to an entire group of brothers and sisters. This is the kind of language and attitude that we want to discourage, so I will leave it as an example of what not to do. Please read the TOS and be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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