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Is it possible to be raised in the Christian church, lose your faith, then come back to believing in Jesus again and truly be forgiven?

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3 hours ago, emilylovesjesus said:

since I truly am repentant and trying to do everything I can to stop willfully sinning it is clear that my heart isn't hardened

Are we depending on "the rock" or,   ,something else..

Psa 95:1, 8, 11 O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation. 8Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 11Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Heb 3:12-13 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 7:24-25 Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because its foundation was on the rock.

1 Jhn 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

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Matt 7 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25 10But while they were on their way to buy it, the bridegroom arrived. Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut. 11Later, the other virgins arrived and said, ‘Lord, Lord, open the door for us! 12But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’

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1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Matt 7 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25 10But while they were on their way to buy it, the bridegroom arrived. Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut. 11Later, the other virgins arrived and said, ‘Lord, Lord, open the door for us! 12But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’

For if we deny HIM , HE denies us .  And many have denied the faith .    Yet still holler JESUS and sing songs , yet deny the faith .

How does one still holler JESUS and deny the faith .   THIER WORKS show the evidence .  Whose sayings they do and keep show the evidence .

Want proof by SCRIPTURE .    GOOD .     IF a man wont provide for his own , specially those of his own household , HE HAS DENIED THE FAITH and is worse than an infidel.

REMEMBER when I said the proof of our love is on whose sayings we love and do .  IT IS .  yet many deny some of JESUS sayings , OH but they still holler we saved , we saved , we saved .

BUT they do not love Him .    SO ,  I want to encourage us all to not just be hearers , deceiving our our own selves .   

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2 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Matt 7 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25 10But while they were on their way to buy it, the bridegroom arrived. Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut. 11Later, the other virgins arrived and said, ‘Lord, Lord, open the door for us! 12But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’

 

Those who plan on showing their resume of all the good things they did..... “I” did this and “ I” did that should change their Judgement Day strategy.The only time you want to use that word is in this context—“I” believed the Gospel and that alone for my Salvation .

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3 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

THIER WORKS show the evidence . 

Did you know the word "biazó" in Luke 16 means to force into violently..

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 16:16 "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Spiritual Blindness
 
35 - the words of the Psalmist were to be fulfilled
36 - the words of the Psalmist were to be fulfilled
37 - but here both the sense of sight and that of hearing are appealed to as conveying knowledge to the mind.
38 - his half-faith has passed into full conviction.
39 - conscious of their own spiritual light, they felt no need of a truer Light, and therefore could not see it
40 - it is the presence of mental conditions such as theirs and such as his that has brought again to our Lord’s thoughts
41 - as it is, as long as they think that they see, there is no ground for hope.

35When Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, He found the man and said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
 
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him.—There is no hint of time or place. We may naturally suppose that this seeking and finding on the part of our Lord followed immediately on the expulsion by the Pharisees. His parents had. for fear of the Pharisees, forsaken him; and they who should have been as the shepherd of this sheep of the flock of Israel, had thrust him from them; but in his case, too, the words of the Psalmist were to be fulfilled, “When my father and my mother forsake me, the Lord taketh me up.” The Good Shepherd, who gathereth the lambs with His arm, and carrieth them in His bosom, is at hand to lead him.

36“Who is He, Sir?” he replied. “Tell me so that I may believe in Him.”
 
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?—For “Lord” it would be better to read Sir, as in John 4:11; John 4:19; John 5:7, et. al. The man does not express by it more than the reverence to a prophet or teacher. the words of the Psalmist were to be fulfilled, He is ready to believe on the Messiah whom all expected, and he feels that this prophet, who had opened his eyes, can tell him who the Messiah is. The form of the question, “Who is He?” suggests that he half expected that He, upon whom he looked, was more than a prophet, and was none other than the Messiah Himself. In the absence of any such thought, the question would have taken a vague form, such as “Where is He?” or “When shall He appear?” He asks as one who knows that the object of his faith is at hand.
 
37“You have already seen Him,” Jesus answered. “He is the One speaking with you.”
 
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.—The answer reminds us of that to the woman of Samaria, “I that speak unto thee am He” (John 4:26); but here both the sense of sight and that of hearing are appealed to as conveying knowledge to the mind. There is a special fitness in the emphasis thus laid upon the seeing Him, in the case of one whose very power to see was witness to the presence of the Messiah. The words do not refer to any earlier meeting, but the perfect tense refers to the completion of the act of vision and the abiding impression.
 
38“Lord, I believe,” he said. And he worshiped Jesus.
 
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - And he said, Lord, I believe.—The title is repeated, but now with the deeper meaning. His half-faith has passed into full conviction. The spiritual education has led him step by step from “the Man that is called Jesus” (John 9:11) to the confession that He is “a prophet” (John 9:17), and that He is “of God” (John 9:33), to the belief that He is the Messiah. It is. the course of a plain man in the honesty of his heart daring to think for himself, and to act upon his convictions. He declines to be silenced by authority, or ensnared in the mazes of argument. The ultimate facts of his own consciousness supply him with a definite foundation of truth, and this is immovable. The steps by which he advances in knowledge are a striking comment on the promise (John 7:17).

And he worshiped him.—The act of adoration is the necessary expression of his faith in the Son of God. We may not think that he has yet learnt all that this term includes; but he has at least learnt that the Son of God has the attribute of the divine glory, and is the object of human worship. It should be noted that St. John uses the word here rendered “worshiped” only when speaking of the worship of God. (Comp. also John 4:20-24; John 12:20.)

 
39Then Jesus declared, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind may see and those who see may become blind.”
 
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - For judgment I am come into this world.—These words arise immediately out of what has preceded. The beggar has passed from a state of physical blindness, and has received the faculty of sight. He has passed from a state of spiritual blindness, and has received the power to recognize and believe on Jesus Christ as the Son of God. He did not see, but the result of the manifestation of the Messiah is for him that he now does see. Conscious of his own spiritual blindness, he asked, “Who is He, Lord, that I might believe on Him?” and to him, as to every earnest and humble seeker after truth, because in all his seeming need he really “hath,” there is given that he may “have more abundance.” In marked contrast to this spirit of humility and desire to come to the light, was that of the Pharisees. They claimed to have the “key of knowledge” (Matthew 11:25), and were, as a Pharisee represents him who is “called a Jew,” “confident that they were guides of the blind, lights of them which are in darkness” (Romans 2:17 et seq.; comp. 1Corinthians 1:21; 1Corinthians 3:18). Conscious of their own spiritual light, they felt no need of a truer Light, and therefore could not see it; and from them, as from every careless and self-trusting possessor of truth, because, in all his seeming abundance, he really “hath not,” there is taken away “even that he hath.” (Comp. Note on John 1:16.)

This passing from darkness to light, and from light to darkness, suggests thoughts which our Lord has already uttered in John 3:17-19, and which will meet us again more fully in John 12:37-50. (See Notes on these passages.) Judgment is not the ultimate end of His coming, for He came to save the world; but it is an end, and therefore a result. The special form of the word rendered “judgment” in this place is used nowhere else by St. John, and indicates that what is here thought of is not the act of judging, but the concrete result—the sentence pronounced after judgment. His coming was a bringing light into the darkness of men’s hearts, a testing of the false and the true, and as men accepted or rejected Him they pronounced a judicial sentence upon themselves. That light judged no man, and yet by it every man was judged.

That they which see not might see.—The force of these words lies in the fact that the phrases, “they which see not” and “they which see,” are to be interpreted as from their own point of view—“That they which think they see not might really see; and that they which think they see might really be made blind.”
 
40Some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard this, and they asked Him, “Are we blind too?”
 
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - And some of the Pharisees which were with him.—The words in the preceding verse are not addressed specially to any one. The Pharisees would be still watching our Lord, and some had probably followed the beggar, expecting that our Lord would seek him, and hoping that the interview might furnish some ground for a fresh charge against one or both of them. It is the presence of mental conditions such as theirs and such as his that has brought again to our Lord’s thoughts the judicial result of His manifestation, and this rises to His lips as an utterance of the solemn thought that fills His mind. The Pharisees hear this exclamation, and apply to themselves that which their own state suggested; but which was expressed as, and is, a wide law, holding true for all mankind.

Are we blind also?—They misunderstand His words, for He has asserted of the blind (“they which see not”) that the result of His coming is “that they might see.” But yet they do not understand the words in a physical sense, in which they could have had no application to themselves. Care is required to catch the force of the term in these three verses, and it may be well to distinguish again the meanings attached to the word blind. It is used (1) for physical blindness. This has been its meaning throughout the chapter. It suggests the imagery in these verses, but is not itself present in the thought which is of spiritual, blindness only. (2) For conscious spiritual blindness (“they which see not,” “they which think they see not”), which is really the first step to spiritual sight. (3) For unconscious spiritual blindness (“they which see,” “they which think they see”), which is really the first step to a total loss of spiritual perception.
 
41“If you were blind,” Jesus replied, “you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains.”
 
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - If ye were blind, ye should have no sin.—His answer is that He does not place them among those who are in this second sense blind. If they were among those “which see not” they would be conscious of their blindness, and would seek for spiritual light. They would ask, “Who is He, Lord, that we may believe on Him?” and would not ask in vain. In that case their present rejection of Him would arise from ignorance willing to be overcome, and this ignorance, not being wilful, would not be sin. Conscious ignorance would be the first step towards knowledge.

But now ye say, We see.—Their true place is among those who were spiritually blind, and were unconscious of it, “they which see,” they which think they see.” For them the first step towards true spiritual light must be a consciousness of blindness. As it is, as long as they think that they see, there is no ground for hope. (Comp. Matthew 9:12-13.)

Therefore your sin remaineth.—The word “therefore” should probably be omitted. The words “Your sin remaineth,” or better, Your sin abideth (comp. Note on John 3:36), stand alone in their awful solemnity. They stand side by side with “Ye say, We see.” The two states are one. The assertion of spiritual knowledge and independence was the original cause of sin (Genesis 3:4), and while spiritual pride exists sin cannot cease.

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3 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Those who plan on showing their resume of all the good things they did..... “I” did this and “ I” did that should change their Judgement Day strategy.The only time you want to use that word is in this context—“I” believed the Gospel and that alone for my Salvation .

FEAST ON IT .   ONLY JESUS SAVES .   Now lift those hands and praise the LORD .

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It sounds like these doubts are just a way for the enemy to try and cause you to slip back into disbelief. If the devil can get us to believe that we are totally lost, then he can get us to stop caring about sin and do whatever we want. You know, why not? I am already damned any ways!

However, our God is a God of infinite mercy, as long as we come back to Him with a broken and contrite heart, willing to do things His way, then He is ready to forgive us. Don't let the devil make you think otherwise.

With regards to this passage of scripture being a 'proof text' to say that you can never receive forgiveness, I think it is a warning for us not to tempt God. We, as sinful humans, naturally want to try and 'get away' with as much as we can without getting into trouble. That is why God couldn't even trust us enough to let us know when Jesus was going to return. He knew we would wait to the very last second to try and repent from all of our sins, just to make it into heaven in the last moment, while wilfully living a sinful life. God is no fool. This scripture helps to curve this idea that we can wilfully disobey God and still feel like we can return whenever we wish. True, it can happen once maybe twice. But, eventually, it will become impossible for someone to turn back to God; not because God won't forgive them, but because they will be to proud to return to Him.

In peace

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23 hours ago, emilylovesjesus said:

thank you everyone for your encouragement and kind words,  my faith has been strengthened so much this past week :)

Hi Emily, I think you pretty much knew you were forgiven but you wanted reassurance from us, that was all. Since you're new to this board may I make a suggestion? Next time you have a personal question like this one put it in the "I have a problem, need advice" section. I see your personal inquiry turned into a debate on the unforgivable sin. That's all too common in the General Discussion area. I'm glad you've put this matter to rest. But some of these fine folks may be debating it another few weeks unless a better debatable topic comes up. But I hope not.

Just think, someday you will be 1 of the people answering these issues. I have no doubt that you are well on your way there. :angel:

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3 hours ago, UnprofitableServantJames said:

It sounds like these doubts are just a way for the enemy to try and cause you to slip back into disbelief. If the devil can get us to believe that we are totally lost, then he can get us to stop caring about sin and do whatever we want. You know, why not? I am already damned any ways!

However, our God is a God of infinite mercy, as long as we come back to Him with a broken and contrite heart, willing to do things His way, then He is ready to forgive us. Don't let the devil make you think otherwise.

With regards to this passage of scripture being a 'proof text' to say that you can never receive forgiveness, I think it is a warning for us not to tempt God. We, as sinful humans, naturally want to try and 'get away' with as much as we can without getting into trouble. That is why God couldn't even trust us enough to let us know when Jesus was going to return. He knew we would wait to the very last second to try and repent from all of our sins, just to make it into heaven in the last moment, while wilfully living a sinful life. God is no fool. This scripture helps to curve this idea that we can wilfully disobey God and still feel like we can return whenever we wish. True, it can happen once maybe twice. But, eventually, it will become impossible for someone to turn back to God; not because God won't forgive them, but because they will be to proud to return to Him.

In peace

The garden temptation was no light thing and the believer has to be aware at all times of the enemy stratagems.  He is crafty and I guess everyone will have to relate to his own experience as to those temptations that is sure to come if you are a believer.   You will be tried and tested and hence the believer has to put on the FULL armor of God 24/7.   The devil knows all our weaknesses and prey upon them in subtly manner.  We must be on our guard.  Even though as we trod along in this walk and we learn to recognize some of our weakness and the gaps that may be open, we must persevere with prayer and meditation and seek the  shield and protection from the evil one as he is relentless to keep us from walking in victory and to his way of the world.  

So yes, your reply as above is warranted and an encouragement to all believers to keep the faith and perseveres when it seems like hope is lost.   The devil can plant seeds of despair, but we are to keep the faith and be reminded by the word, Romans 8:38, it is a powerful reminder that God has established us in his Kingdom.

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