Willa Posted February 26, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,224 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,647 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 26, 2019 People who believe in, trust in and rely upon Jesus Christ as their Lord and Master will be born again and have their names written in His book of life. They will be with Christ when they die. Those who refuse to humble themselves to His rule over their lives and trust in His word will not see everlasting life in heaven. Hell is a real place of fire and brimstone awaiting satan unbelievers who remain in his kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unveiling Bible Truth Posted March 6, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 18 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/04/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 6, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 5:16 AM, alaric_w said: Yes. Everyone is saved the same way as the criminal on the cross. We cannot save ourself with our own good works. You should not reason based on your own understand but based solely on what is written on the bible. Many people also reason that Jesus is not God and just a man. But the bible says otherwise. It is written plainly in the bible Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God In Galatians, the christian are saved by believing but later turn back to the law. Paul wrote that they are turning to a different gospel. Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel I pray that may God be merciful to you by opening your eyes and saved you from wrong belief and destruction. Where in the bible does it say Jesus is almighty God? The bible say Jesus is the son of God, God himself said Jesus was his son (Matt 3:17)And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matt 16:15-17) He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. (Matt 17:5) While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” Jesus also said that his father is the one true God. (John 17:3) And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. (Mark 5:7)And he cried out with a loud voice and said, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? (John 10:36) do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? You said "You should not reason based on your own understand but based solely on what is written on the bible." Will you follow your own advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Unveiling Bible Truth said: Where in the bible does it say Jesus is almighty God? The bible say Jesus is the son of God, God himself said Jesus was his son (Matt 3:17)And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matt 16:15-17) He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. (Matt 17:5) While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” Jesus also said that his father is the one true God. (John 17:3) And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. (Mark 5:7)And he cried out with a loud voice and said, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? (John 10:36) do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? You said "You should not reason based on your own understand but based solely on what is written on the bible." Will you follow your own advice? The Holy Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are all God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unveiling Bible Truth Posted March 6, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 18 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/04/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 6, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 11:51 PM, Willa said: Hell is a real place of fire and brimstone awaiting satan unbelievers who remain in his kingdom. May I suggest that you take a look at the 4 words that are used in the Hebrew/Greek manuscripts that were translated as hell in some English translations. Sheol - Grave/pit Hades - Grave Gehenna - A valley outside of Jerusalem, in the 1st century was used as a garbage dump, and the criminal dead were also thrown there also, it burned day and nite. Tartarus - Holding place for fallen angels. Jesus never spoke about hell, but spoke of Gehenna or the grave, hades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unveiling Bible Truth Posted March 6, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 18 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/04/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, missmuffet said: The Holy Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are all God. Based on what scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Unveiling Bible Truth said: Based on what scripture? The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity: 1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5). 2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity. In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity. 3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father. 4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). 5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14. 6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things. The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent. The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit. There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34). https://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html Edited March 6, 2019 by missmuffet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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