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1 hour ago, PepperS said:

In a perfect world, yes, but, Christ has not returned yet.

You keep saying in a perfect world, but your logic is flawed. First off, in a perfect world no one would need helped, so that alone makes your argument invalid. 

Second off the Bible commands us to help those in need-us. Not the government. Us. Not the government. Us. Period. So we need to be helping 0thers. So you asked me this question, and i answered, and i think its only fair then that you answer it as well-what are you doing to help others in addition to paying taxes?

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7 minutes ago, The_Patriot2018 said:

 

.So we need to be helping 0thers. So you asked me this question, and i answered, and i think its only fair then that you answer it as well-what are you doing to help others in addition to paying taxes?

I did give you a list of some of the things we have done to help others.  You must have missed it. Go back to the first page of this thread.

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12 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

    I been reading in the news section eight will be cut. I feel sorry for poor people. We know housing and rents are too high for poor people. Food stamps akready are low for the prices of food. It's getting mean again. I don't mind paying tax for those in need. I am bless with a good job. Those who get section eight are hated by a lot of people. But it's better to have section eight then people in the street. Thousands do live in the street. Yes on drugs too. But don't hate on them. Pray God restores them. God loves them too.

Hi Wayne, I won't give that thinking an oye vey for it is well intentioned, but I will disagree strongly. I believe section 8  an dfood coupon programs to be a terrible scam and  a horrible injustice.   I have immediate neighbors that live very well on section 8 and the combination of government benefits that they get. They do not work,  never have worked. They just breed more of the same that grow up and become more criminals in the neighborhood. The police get called out to this house numerous times a year.  

The absentee home owner gets their large monthly check  and let the property run down. The family members in this house young and old get arrested by police often raiding it with their guns drawn  a few times a year. That shows up on reports about the neighbor raising insurance rates and lowering property values. There are police stakeouts in the neighborhood when police are looking for  one or more of them. Yet  they keep  on getting out of court without lengthy  prison sentences and they continue to get their housing, very nice housing. They get their food,  they get clothing, and they drive  multiple brand new vehicles too. They literally make more money than the working people in the neighborhood. They live high.

There is also locally a market for Maine lobster that booms  when the food coupons come in each month here. The local area with the most people on the food coupon program  use their coupons to buy Maine lobsters and then resell them at a discounted price to small retailers. The Large food chains buy extra lobsters for the stores at the  community area with the most  people on  the program.

I think President Reagan had it right when he used the phrase welfare queen, and managed to get a two year limit  on welfare changing it to workfare when he was president. Since then it has  been turned around to where their is a permanent criminal class that gets to live very nicely and ruin  the neighborhoods they  come into.

Of course there are needy and disabled. They do need real help, as do most that  work very hard can't work and still qualify  for assistance and yet cannot get health insurance, nor health care, today. I think  many of us  are very tired of the abuse by the criminal "poor" that live pretty high on the hog without any effort at working. So I must disagree that there is a need for more of the same welfare system that grows yet more generations of non working  criminal class of citizens.

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10 hours ago, PepperS said:

How many have you taken in?

Four to date over eighteen years so far,  a widow relative,  and then younger family in need. Does that count?  

Now I am refurbishing this  "mother in law" unit within my house that I have paid property taxes on for over 18 years now. I know of  a few friends that have done similar additions so that family or elderly or hurting friends will not be without nice shelter and decent company to aid them. 

It happens, some do take in and share of the many blessings received of God, plus receive blessing right back from the individual that had a need.

It has been  rather a grand experience over  over a long time  one that is now treasured memory. I would not, even  if I could, go back and undo any of it at all.

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10 hours ago, The_Patriot2018 said:

Government should n0t help...nor does it if you really think about it.

People not stepping up and helping...thats a valid point...but its one thats solved by everyone stepping up and actually helping instead of waiting for the government to step in.

Alright then. I will consider your point of view. So what would happen if the gov. just stop doing anything about the poor?  I think we could look back at history and get our answer.  Because I think there was a time in our history that the gov. did not help with the needy.    (I'm going to go google stuff see what I can find)  Oh I love doing history research! This will be fun! 

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11 hours ago, The_Patriot2018 said:

Yes but someone who is dependent upon the government is less likely to have that determination. People are short sighted...people on welfare are more likely to vote democrat...why? Because of the money theyre afraid a Republican will cut their welfare check. 

As the old saying goes give a man a fish youll feed them for a day. Teach a man to fish and youll feed him for a lifetime.

The governments form of help is give a man a fish a day and they will always do your bidding...Because after awhile they will have lost all motivation to learn how to fish.

I think there should be time limitations and frequent followup. That is where the gov falls short. There was a time people could stay on assistance a lifetime. They worked the system. They kept popping out babies. 

I think that should be dealt with somehow too! But then that would mean more government! Those that are lazy and entitled need to be dealt with differently than those that jyst needed a hand up and went on to be productive citizens . Its a mess quite frankly. Didnt POTUS write law something about this? 

Some people must be led . But then there are a few who lead themselves. 

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8 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

Alright then. I will consider your point of view. So what would happen if the gov. just stop doing anything about the poor?  I think we could look back at history and get our answer.  Because I think there was a time in our history that the gov. did not help with the needy.    (I'm going to go google stuff see what I can find)  Oh I love doing history research! This will be fun! 

The alternative would look like NY immigrant ghetto back in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Also England ghettos back then. Those people paid rent by the day and were living like rats. It was awful.

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5 hours ago, Neighbor said:

I have immediate neighbors that live very well on section 8 and the combination of government benefits that they get. They do not work,  never have worked. They just breed more of the same that grow up and become more criminals in the neighborhood. The police get called out to this house numerous times a year.  

The absentee home owner gets their large monthly check  and let the property run down. The family members in this house young and old get arrested by police often raiding it with their guns drawn  a few times a year. That shows up on reports about the neighbor raising insurance rates and lowering property values. There are police stakeouts in the neighborhood when police are looking for  one or more of them. Yet  they keep  on getting out of court without lengthy  prison sentences and they continue to get their housing, very nice housing. They get their food,  they get clothing, and they drive  multiple brand new vehicles too. They literally make more money than the working people in the neighborhood. They live high.

There is also locally a market for Maine lobster that booms  when the food coupons come in each month here. The local area with the most people on the food coupon program  use their coupons to buy Maine lobsters and then resell them at a discounted price to small retailers. The Large food chains buy extra lobsters for the stores at the  community area with the most  people on  the program.

I think President Reagan had it right when he used the phrase welfare queen, and managed to get a two year limit  on welfare changing it to workfare when he was president. Since then it has  been turned around to where their is a permanent criminal class that gets to live very nicely and ruin  the neighborhoods they  come into.

'This' is what is wrong with the system. 

Wow. Sounds like a terrible neighborhood. 

I didnt know a person could buy lobster with an ebt card. 

The system is broken and has been for decades

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2 hours ago, LadyKay said:

Alright then. I will consider your point of view. So what would happen if the gov. just stop doing anything about the poor?  I think we could look back at history and get our answer.  Because I think there was a time in our history that the gov. did not help with the needy.    (I'm going to go google stuff see what I can find)  Oh I love doing history research! This will be fun! 

I think the government only stepped in once the church stopped...when we stopped teaching Christian values in this nation, when God was no longer welcome to be spoken in public, people started becoming self absorbed and stopped helping people the way they did, so the government stepped in. And unless the demand for government assistance goes away, its not going to,as much as id like it to.

The solution is two fold. Your right we cant just rip it out from people. I think it does need to go away, but in order to do it properly we, as in the church need to up our game and start helping as many as possible. Not necessarily with handouts, but helping people not only with food and housing but also help them find jobs and gain financial independence. We need to "teach them to fish" so to speak. 

I think once we start doing that, and living up to our potential in how we help others, the demand for government assistance will go down, to the point that if someone says "lets get rid of welfare" no one panics or even cares.

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12 minutes ago, The_Patriot2018 said:

I think the government only stepped in once the church stopped...when we stopped teaching Christian values in this nation, when God was no longer welcome to be spoken in public, people started becoming self absorbed and stopped helping people the way they did, so the government stepped in. And unless the demand for government assistance goes away, its not going to,as much as id like it to.

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I remember the government informing the church that they are not doing their job properly and it was time they took over.  The church did not take God out of our lives, unbelievers did through the legal process, twisting the 1st Amendment from keeping them separate so the government could not tell someone how to worship to not allowing God into public places.

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