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5 hours ago, Abdicate said:

I don't want to poo poo on you either, but this is not possible. A new moon is unseen and is declared when a sliver becomes visible; a "blood moon" if 100% full and in the shadow of the earth.

well well you are so right :)  I'm surprised you didn't notice i have solar eclipses associated with the wrong point in the lunar cycle as well.  I reckon I must have carelessly inverted them and failed to proofread.  I'll go fix the original post and thanks for bringing the error to my attention

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13 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

Please understand, in this cold, sterile, unemotional world of cyber space, what I’m going to say in all humility is with a concerned heart and the love of Christ for the brothers and sisters, …I hope you take it that way.

In accepting or rejecting extra Biblical materials or information I have found this verse in Isaiah 8:20 to be my tool for judging their relevance and/or importance.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no Light in them. 

Having said that, although I use Bullinger’s Numbers in Scripture, Great Cloud of Witnesses and his Bible Commentary, I don’t find any reference for Believers to look to the stars for guidance, …hence his Witness of the Stars was/is not Holy Spirit inspired and is not something I can find Divine inspiration inside, …interesting conjecture, but not, Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, And light unto my path.  Psa 119:105

All of this hype about the Blood Moon is just a scam to sell books and make money, …how many times have they been wrong and people are still buying into the false teaching and buying there books. 

The Truth in the Word of God, in both the Old and New Testaments, teaches there will be only ONE blood moon, it is during the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy and it comes AFTER the Sun becomes dark, not before, …hopefully all can see the charlatanism in this blood moon hoax and no longer be deceived by it’s false teachers.

Again:

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no Light in them. Isa 8:20

Concerning the signs in the heavens spoken of by Jesus, may I suggest an excellent book, Eye To Eye by Koenig, he has researched all of the natural disasters in the last century that have struck the different counties that coincide with them trying to divide the Land of Israel for the Two State solution, and by the way, you in America, be forewarned/prepared for the Deal of the Century that will be presented in April…

Lord Bless  

 

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First, I'm unclear as to your references for April.   There are a number of political events scheduled for that month including a meeting between Putin, Erdogan and Rouhani regarding the Syrian issue.  Few in America know of the wheeling and dealing being done on the issue because we're all focused on the political circus in Washington.  Our politicians are presently acting like sunburned scorpions obsessed with stinging themselves to death.  There will be a meeting of the Arab League later in the month as well as a meeting of Latin American nations regarding corruption in democratic governments (an exercise in futility since US interests fuel most of the corruption as well as removal of those governments, democratic or not, that oppose its economic hegemony).   There are many other important political events as well.  Which of these are you referring to?

All the talk of blood moons confuses the issue of Christian eschatology.   I'm not an astronomer and cannot be 100% accurate in anything I assert, however I'd be willing to bet nearly 100% of those who participate in these forums aren't astronomers either.   Is Mr. Koenig a professional astronomer or just another Christian snake oil salesman?  Everyone has their favorites don't they? 

The best attitude, I think, is to keep a wary eye on the heavens as well as on the earth.   Americans, of all the people on earth, are poorest in this regard being force fed a diet of political sewage, intellectual smokescreens, racist finger pointing, obsession with celebrities, spiritual bovine excrement and a general attitude of confusion surrounding everything else.  We can't agree on anything including appropriate ways to disagree.  We are a nation lost.  

We are lost because we've turned our back on God.  

To paraphrase Ray Bradbury, a noted writer of the last century as well as a Russian newspaper, something wicked has come our way and we have no idea what's happening to us.

.....and so we watch the skies for blood moons shiny auroras at night and flying saucers at all times.......

because our fantasies have become more real to us than the insanity we live in....

So you go ahead and put Mr. Koenig's book up there with your Bible and ignore everything else.   Why not?  That's what everybody else is doing.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...  

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13 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

Please understand, in this cold, sterile, unemotional world of cyber space, what I’m going to say in all humility is with a concerned heart and the love of Christ for the brothers and sisters, …I hope you take it that way.

In accepting or rejecting extra Biblical materials or information I have found this verse in Isaiah 8:20 to be my tool for judging their relevance and/or importance.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no Light in them. 

Having said that, although I use Bullinger’s Numbers in Scripture, Great Cloud of Witnesses and his Bible Commentary, I don’t find any reference for Believers to look to the stars for guidance, …hence his Witness of the Stars was/is not Holy Spirit inspired and is not something I can find Divine inspiration inside, …interesting conjecture, but not, Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, And light unto my path.  Psa 119:105

All of this hype about the Blood Moon is just a scam to sell books and make money, …how many times have they been wrong and people are still buying into the false teaching and buying there books. 

The Truth in the Word of God, in both the Old and New Testaments, teaches there will be only ONE blood moon, it is during the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy and it comes AFTER the Sun becomes dark, not before, …hopefully all can see the charlatanism in this blood moon hoax and no longer be deceived by it’s false teachers.

Again:

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no Light in them. Isa 8:20

Concerning the signs in the heavens spoken of by Jesus, may I suggest an excellent book, Eye To Eye by Koenig, he has researched all of the natural disasters in the last century that have struck the different counties that coincide with them trying to divide the Land of Israel for the Two State solution, and by the way, you in America, be forewarned/prepared for the Deal of the Century that will be presented in April…

Lord Bless  

 

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I removed 2 posts that were way too personal.  Debate the subject ONLY.

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3 hours ago, choir loft said:

First, I'm unclear as to your references for April.

April 2019, ...the Knesset has moved up their Presidential elections from November to April to try and unseat PM Netanyahe, the opposition said they are willing to trade land for peace ...Kushner and Greenblatt have announced they will reveal President's Trumps Peace Plan and he has already said both sides will not be happy, ...while he has said Jerusalem is off of the table, ...he has not said there won't be proposed a land for peace deal. 

You live in Florida..., 

Hurricane Andrew: August 23-24, 1992, worst natural disaster in U.S. history, 6 rounds of peace talks in Washington D.C. to give Palestine autonomy. 

Storm of the Century: March 12-15, 1993, 15 tornadoes in Florida killed 44 people, Israel PM Rabin met with President Clinton in Washington D.C.

Hurricane Opel: September 27-October, 1995, 10/5 Category 5 hurricane hits Pensacola, Fl., Israel & PLO sign Interim Agreement in Washington D. C. hosted by President Clinton, King Hussein of Jordan, Egypt President Mubarak, Israel PM Rabin, and Chairman Arafat present.

Year of Wildfires: January of 2000, Florida on fire, Israel PM Barak & Syria FM al-Sharaa President Clinton, US convinced Israel to yield to Syria demand to talk about borders first rather than peace.

Hurricanes Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne: August 9-September 27, 2004, one in every five homes damaged in Florida, during this time period the U.S. demanded Israel cease building settlements in the Golan Heights and Gaza.

And that is as far as I am in the book and there are many more, those listed were all concerning the dividing the Land of Israel and the ones concerning Florida, there are many more recorded in other parts of the U.S., ...it's a great read and Koenig details all of the natural catastrophies world wide up to 2016 concerning the countries that are participating in dividing God's land Zech 12:12 that He gave to Abraham's descendants, ...so, with the verifiable recorded destruction that has already hit Florida, ...and President's Trumps summer home there..., ........................just my two cents.

Lord Bless and keep you safe    

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1 hour ago, JustPassingThru said:

April 2019, ...the Knesset has moved up their Presidential elections from November to April to try and unseat PM Netanyahe, the opposition said they are willing to trade land for peace ...Kushner and Greenblatt have announced they will reveal President's Trumps Peace Plan and he has already said both sides will not be happy, ...while he has said Jerusalem is off of the table, ...he has not said there won't be proposed a land for peace deal. 

You live in Florida..., 

Hurricane Andrew: August 23-24, 1992, worst natural disaster in U.S. history, 6 rounds of peace talks in Washington D.C. to give Palestine autonomy. 

Storm of the Century: March 12-15, 1993, 15 tornadoes in Florida killed 44 people, Israel PM Rabin met with President Clinton in Washington D.C.

Hurricane Opel: September 27-October, 1995, 10/5 Category 5 hurricane hits Pensacola, Fl., Israel & PLO sign Interim Agreement in Washington D. C. hosted by President Clinton, King Hussein of Jordan, Egypt President Mubarak, Israel PM Rabin, and Chairman Arafat present.

Year of Wildfires: January of 2000, Florida on fire, Israel PM Barak & Syria FM al-Sharaa President Clinton, US convinced Israel to yield to Syria demand to talk about borders first rather than peace.

Hurricanes Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne: August 9-September 27, 2004, one in every five homes damaged in Florida, during this time period the U.S. demanded Israel cease building settlements in the Golan Heights and Gaza.

And that is as far as I am in the book and there are many more, those listed were all concerning the dividing the Land of Israel and the ones concerning Florida, there are many more recorded in other parts of the U.S., ...it's a great read and Koenig details all of the natural catastrophies world wide up to 2016 concerning the countries that are participating in dividing God's land Zech 12:12 that He gave to Abraham's descendants, ...so, with the verifiable recorded destruction that has already hit Florida, ...and President's Trumps summer home there..., ........................just my two cents.

Lord Bless and keep you safe    

Interesting.

What does he say about the BDS movement against Israel? (Boycott Divestment & Sanctions)   If we assume the wrath of God is directed against those who oppose Israel (Genesis 12:3), then divine blessings may become a thing of the past.

Numerous governments, corporations and private organizations support the BDS movement (see source #4 on source list below), which is basically a caliginous ploy to cover anti-Semitic subversion of the modern State of Israel and to steal the land God gave to the Jewish people as an inheritance. It is not my purpose here to name or list all of them numerous though they may be, but to provide a working list of churches that support the BDS movement.

This list of churches, which have issued public support of the BDS movement, was gleaned from published documents and public statements as well as Palestinian sources. As of this writing, the list is incomplete due to political vacillations and deliberate obfuscation of the issue by church leadership. For instance, although the Vatican has not issued a formal statement either for or against the BDS movement it has issued contradictory remarks supporting Israel at the same time it supports Palestinian demands for land it has no legal moral or spiritual claim to. 

For what it's worth, here's the list;

International Churches - source listed next to the church name (see the number key below)
Council of South African Independent Churches (9)
British Methodist Church (1, 😎
Church of England (1)
NCCA – National Council of Churches in Australia (10)

National Church of Sweden (10)

Lutheran State Church of Norway (10)
World Communion of Reformed Churches (2)

World Council of Churches (3)

United Church of Canada (7)

US church denominations
Episcopal Church (5)
Presbyterian Church (1)
Methodist Church (1)
United Church of Christ (1)
Mennonite Church (Quakers) (1)
Unitarian Universalist Church (6)

Christian Church – Disciples of Christ (2)

Individual US churches (Source: Friends of Sabeel North America)

First Congregational Church of Old Lyme, Old Lyme, CT

First United Methodist Church, Sacramento, CA

Immanuel Baptist Church, Rochester, NY

Sierra Pines United Methodist Church, Grass Valley, CA

Peace United Church of Christ, Santa Cruz, CA

Unitarian Universalist Society of Sacramento, Sacramento, CA

Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ, Washington, DC

Horseheads United Methodist Church, Horseheads, NY

Sonoma United Methodist Church, Sonoma, CA

Centennial United Methodist Church, Sacramento, CA

Orinda Saint Marks United Methodist Church, Orinda, CA

Walnut Avenue United Methodist Church, Walnut Creek, CA

Live Oak Friends Meeting, Houston, TX

St. John’s Presbyterian Church, San Francisco, CA

St. Jarlath's Catholic Church, Oakland, CA

Chicago First Church of the Brethren, Chicago

Buena Vista United Methodist Church, Alameda, CA

Littlefield Presbyterian Church, Dearborn, MI

Maynard United Methodist Church, Columbus, OH

Sixth Presbyertian Church, Pittsburgh, PA

First Congregational United Church of Christ, Portland, OR

Church of the Advocate, Philadelphia, PA

Eugene Mennonite Church, Eugene, OR
Manhattan Mennonite Church, Manhattan, KS

Rose City Park Presbyterian Church, Portland, OR

Portland Mennonite Church, Portland, OR

Peace Mennonite Fellowship, Claremont, CA

First Presbyterian Church, San Anselmo, CA

Sanctuary Faith Community, Pittsburgh, PA

SOURCE LIST

(1)          source: Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC)

(2)          source: US Campaign for Palestinian Rights

(3)          source: International Middle East Media Center

(4)          source: www.bdslist.org

(5)          source: The Guardian

(6)          source: www.legalinsurrection.com

(7)          source: International Business Times

(8)          source: Jerusalem Post

(9)          source: Middle East Monitor

(10)      source: www.ynetnews.com

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3 hours ago, choir loft said:

What does he say about the BDS movement against Israel? (Boycott Divestment & Sanctions)   If we assume the wrath of God is directed against those who oppose Israel (Genesis 12:3), then divine blessings may become a thing of the past.

Get the book, all of what you have posted is detailed in it plus much more...,

The latest divine blessing I can see is God placed Donald Trump as President of the United States so that you wouldn't be living in a socialist state under a Global Mandate today, ...however, as been stated by some here, they sense judgement is coming on America, with the 800,000 babies sacrificed to Molech per year, then add to that the details of the Deal of the Century reportedly coming in April....

Lord bless   

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14 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

Get the book, all of what you have posted is detailed in it plus much more...,

The latest divine blessing I can see is God placed Donald Trump as President of the United States so that you wouldn't be living in a socialist state under a Global Mandate today, ...however, as been stated by some here, they sense judgement is coming on America, with the 800,000 babies sacrificed to Molech per year, then add to that the details of the Deal of the Century reportedly coming in April....

Lord bless   

Trump is no blessing.  God stopped blessing America a long time ago.  Judgment is upon us now, even at this time.  

It has been upon us since the mid-1950's and first became visible on November 22, 1963.  God sent many warnings and pleaded with us to repent, but we would not listen.  He even sent the most powerful national revival in the history of our nation in the late 1960's and early 1970's, but our spiritual leaders vilified the Holy Spirit and rejected His work among us.   I know.  I was there.  I saw it.  On October 26, 2001 the curtain came down upon our republic and the empty shell of democracy that remained in America.  Rule of the people by the people for the people died on that day.   

Those that see Pelosi as a conquering crusader for the liberal agenda are mistaken.  Fools who believe she is are only drinking their own poison.   Pelosi is part of the rich white political establishment, Democrat and Republican alike, whose only true motive is to retain power.  Few, very few, of the members of the liberal power bloc are other than rich white folk.  Many may be women, but it's still the same.  It's all about seizing and holding power.

But the joke is on all of them because the true power behind America does not lie in the White House Congress or the Oval Office.  It lies in the shadowy world of the Deep State, which like a coiled snake, has been growing since America was founded as a nation.  Read Mike Lofgren's book Deep State as well as C. Wright Mills book The Power Elite. The true power in America does not rest with our elected representatives and it isn't something that's sprung from the ground overnight.  

Trump is a symptom of our disease, not a panacea for it.   Take a step back from the evening news and its constant criticism of him.   Take a step back from the editorials and late night comedians.  Take a step back from hypocritical Hollywood types who puff themselves up (as they are used to doing) in false dismay.  What do we see?  

Trump unknowingly highlights the problems and issues with this country.  His time in office has brought out all the ugliness America has trained itself to love and all the meanness we embrace amongst ourselves on a daily basis.  To be fair it isn't his fault.  He's only a catalyst for an explosive political situation.   Democrats hate him with all the venom they can vomit.  Republicans refuse to get their ducks in line and continue to argue amongst themselves.  

Oh yes, America is under judgment.  

Bear in mind the Bible chronicles a series of judgments against the ancient kingdom of Israel.   Before ancient Israel was totally destroyed, God sent numerous warnings and judgments that increased gradually in severity.   God hoped to get their attention without destroying the nation, but they adamantly refused - as do we now.    God's judgments against Israel happened over the course of centuries.  It didn't happen overnight.   Neither is judgment against America to happen overnight.   We simmer slowly in our own stew and like the mindless beasts we've become we neither know nor care for the consequences of our personal or national future.   We only live to stab one another in the back.   

Trump is our president and should be allowed at least a modicum of respect, but our people will not have it.   In the measure we disrespect our own leaders will we suffer judgment we bring upon ourselves.  In the end we will deserve it because we want it.  God will give us the curses we work so hard to receive.  The phrase "wages of sin" suggests one has to work hard to deserve spiritual death.   America today is dedicated to it - mind heart and body.   

Signs in the heavens above us testify to our own debauchery.   Once upon a time the American space program was second to none.   Today we can't even lift our own astronauts up to the space station we built.   They have to hitch a ride with an enemy to get there.   God's justice is ironic, isn't it? Can you think of a greater sign in the sky than this evidence of our own failure arrogance and stupidity?    

I can't.

The days of repentance are upon us.   Those who are wise will humbly seek God.   The rest will wallow in their own sewage and die in their sin.  These are days of judgment.   Let the righteous be righteous still......and let the wicked be wicked still - till He who will judge us all returns to us.

What will He find us doing when He arrives?   

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...   

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