douge Posted January 24, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 354 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 964 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 181 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2019 Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Baptism is not only a water baptism. It is evident that in this verse, there are three baptisms. Water baptism unto repentance to acknowledge Jesus is their King, Messiah, the Son of God; baptism by the Holy Ghost, the outpouring of the Spirit of the new testament; baptism with fire or coming judgment and refining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted January 24, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2019 spiritual birth liken unto natural birth Water and the blood fire to try the heart , endure the soul, purify the heart to complete a person in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted January 24, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,776 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,746 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, douge said: Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Baptism is not only a water baptism. It is evident that in this verse, there are three baptisms. Water baptism unto repentance to acknowledge Jesus is their King, Messiah, the Son of God; baptism by the Holy Ghost, the outpouring of the Spirit of the new testament; baptism with fire or coming judgment and refining. There are actually four baptisms - one we don't do anymore. This water baptism that John the Baptist was performing was not for acknowledging Jesus as their King, Messiah, Son of God, or anything else related to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, himself, endured John the Baptist's baptism and needed none of those things. The first water baptism - that we don't do anymore because Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected - was for repentance and turning to God to be obedient to him. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist for a lot of reasons, but not repentance. The people baptized by John the Baptist were not Christians. They were still lost Jews. But they were making a stand for repentance. After Jesus resurrected, baptism took on a whole other meaning. NOW is was for being obedient to Christ in following Him in baptism - showing our death and burial IN him and our resurrection into a new life. The baptism of the Holy Spirit happens when we are saved. The baptism of fire, which you are correct about, if symbolic for our daily purification and refining. Edited January 24, 2019 by Jayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted January 25, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2019 If you want a full list of all the baptisms one way to approach it is to grab a concordance and look up every place the Bible says baptize, baptized or baptism(s). Then ask the text three questions. Who is the baptizer, the one performing the baptism? Who is the baptizee (sorry for the coined word ) or the one being baptized? And the third is "What is the element being baptized into?" There are more than 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douge Posted January 28, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 354 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 964 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 181 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 1:24 PM, Jayne said: There are actually four baptisms - one we don't do anymore. This water baptism that John the Baptist was performing was not for acknowledging Jesus as their King, Messiah, Son of God, or anything else related to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, himself, endured John the Baptist's baptism and needed none of those things. The first water baptism - that we don't do anymore because Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected - was for repentance and turning to God to be obedient to him. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist for a lot of reasons, but not repentance. The people baptized by John the Baptist were not Christians. They were still lost Jews. But they were making a stand for repentance. After Jesus resurrected, baptism took on a whole other meaning. NOW is was for being obedient to Christ in following Him in baptism - showing our death and burial IN him and our resurrection into a new life. The baptism of the Holy Spirit happens when we are saved. The baptism of fire, which you are correct about, if symbolic for our daily purification and refining. John's baptism was for Israel to repent because the kingdom of heaven was at hand, for the remission of sins, and to believe on Jesus. And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand Matthew 3:2 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Acts 19:4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted January 28, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, douge said: John's baptism was for Israel to repent because the kingdom of heaven was at hand, for the remission of sins, and to believe on Jesus. And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand Matthew 3:2 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Acts 19:4 Next verse they got baptized again and the next verse they got another different one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douge Posted January 30, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 354 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 964 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 181 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 3:22 PM, Bible_Gazer said: Next verse they got baptized again and the next verse they got another different one. Right....in Acts 19:5 after Paul preached Jesus fully to them, they believed on Jesus, and as commanded under Israel's program, were baptized in the name of Jesus. See Acts 2:38 In Acts 19:6 they received the Holy Ghost by Paul laying on his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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