Water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism are two different issues

[R. Hartono]

Matt 16:13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
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Peter obviously have been inspired by Almighty God Yahwe in heaven but He has not received the Holy Spirit yet, because Jesus told them to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Spirit baptism.

Acts 1:4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.
5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
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If you hv acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God and have been baptized with water, it doesnt necessarily means you have already received the Holy Spirit.

Example : Paul confers the gift of the Holy Spirit to the BELIEVERS of Christ after they have received water baptism.
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and THEY SPOKE IN TONGUES and prophesied.

Peter and John placed their hands to BELIEVERS WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED so they may rcvd the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 For the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
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WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZE THEM THEY SPOKE IN TONGUE
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

BUT WHY DID GOD CHOOSE TO CONTROL THE TONGUE ?

James 3:3 Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.

4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.

5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:

8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

HOW COULD WE SURVIVE OUR FAITH WITHOUT THE COMFORTER/ HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM ?
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 

Edited March 16, 2019 by R. Hartono

[R. Hartono]

YOU WILL SURELY FEEL THE FIRE OF HOLY SPIRIT INSIDE YOUR BODY WHEN YOU RCV HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM FROM LORD JESUS HIMSELF.

The gift of Tongues is divided in two :

1. GLOSOLALIA, this will accompany the baptism of Holy Spirit, people will feel their tongue move by itself when they are slain in the spirit and cry at the feet of Jesus as the FIRE OF HOLY SPIRIT enter their body.

IF YOU UTTER GLOSOLALIA SOME PEOPLE WHO LISTEN WILL THINK YOU ARE CRAZY

1 Cor 14: 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

BECAUSE GLOSOLALIA IS BETWEEN YOU AND GOD TO STRENGTHEN FAITH.

1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue (glosolalia) edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth (xenolalia) edifieth the church.

WE UTTER GLOSOLALIA WHEN OUR GROANINGS CANNOT BE UTTERED THAT IT HURT DEEPLY, WE THEN LET HOLY SPIRIT TAKE OVER AND PRAY FOR US IN THE BAD SITUATION.

Rome 8:26 .... for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

 

2. XENOLALIA, Holy Spirit move our tongue to speak His message directly to people with the words not from our mind, this could be a foreign language, this is a gift of PROPHECY and not every believer is bestowed with this gift.

1 Cor 14: 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

XENOLALIA must be judged by others and those with the gift of xenolalia and the gift of vision will rebuke others if that is of manmade words.

IN THE CHURCH WHERE HOLY SPIRIT GIFTs MANIFEST THERE ARE 9 GIFTS AND THE GIFT OF TONGUE IS ONE OF THEM.

1 Cor 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

1. Wisdom 2.Knowledge 3. Faith 4.Healing 5.miracle, 6.prohecy (XENOLALIA), 7.Discerning spirit, 8. divers kinds of tongues (glosolalia) 9. interpretation of tongues.

The gift of Wisdom, knowledge and discerning spirit can come in the form of VISION.

So if unbelievers came into our congregation he will be revealed to the whole people with the gifts of vision and xenolalia.

1 Cor 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

PEOPLE WITH BAD INTENTION OR BLACK MAGIC WILL BE PUT TO SHAME IF THEY COME INTO CONGREGATION WITH HOLY SPIRIT GIFTS.

THE PEOPLE WITH THE GIFT OF PROPHECY CAN CONTROL WHEN TO UTTER AND WHEN TO STOP XENOLALIA.

The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.
1 Cor 14:31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints

Edited August 3, 2019 by R. Hartono

[R. Hartono]

The day is almost dark now, while the chance is still given

John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

Acts 2:17 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams'

2 Cor 11:21 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Holy Spirit is knocking at the door bringing the contract of betrothal, God wants to pour out Holy Spirit on all people but many people say "Holy Spirit baptism ? No thanks we have Jesus here"

Edited December 23, 2020 by R. Hartono

[enoob57]

suggesting two baptisms does not fit within Scripture
 

Eph 4:3-6

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV
 

[Don19]

7 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

suggesting two baptisms does not fit within Scripture
 

Eph 4:3-6

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
KJV
 

The "one baptism" is Holy Spirit baptism.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13.

[enoob57]

9 minutes ago, Don19 said:

The "one baptism" is Holy Spirit baptism.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13.

Scripture doesn't confirm your statement... anyone may believe what they want but in the end it is the Scripture by which we shall be examined by
 

John 12:47-49

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
KJV
 

[Don19]

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Scripture doesn't confirm your statement... anyone may believe what they want but in the end it is the Scripture by which we shall be examined by

Jesus baptizes us into Himself by the Holy Spirit. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 6:3-4:

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

John 1:33:

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit is given to everyone who believes on Jesus Christ. Jesus makes this quite clear, that the Spirit is given to the one who believes on Him.

John 7:37-39:

In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

[enoob57]

7 minutes ago, Don19 said:

Jesus baptizes us into Himself by the Holy Spirit. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 6:3-4:

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

John 1:33:

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit is given to everyone who believes on Jesus Christ. Jesus makes this quite clear, that the Spirit is given to the one who believes on Him.

John 7:37-39:

In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

If there is only one baptism then the above is referring to believers baptism
What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit? | GotQuestions.org
The whole council of God must be applied Genesis-Malchi and Matthew-Revelation this must done in study and it is work but that is the obedience to arrive at truth...

[Don19]

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

If there is only one baptism then the above is referring to believers baptism
What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit? | GotQuestions.org
The whole council of God must be applied Genesis-Malchi and Matthew-Revelation this must done in study and it is work but that is the obedience to arrive at truth...

Actually, the article you posted supports my position, insofar as all the passages in question from Ephesians, 1 Corinthians, and Romans are referring to Spirit baptism, and not water baptism (there's also Gal 3:27, Col 2:11-12 - these are also referring to Holy Spirit baptism). Those who are in Christ already know all things (1 John 2:20), as we know the truth (John 8:32, 1 John 2:21). That is, an experiential knowledge. But some have not the knowledge of God (1 Cor 15:34). Those who already "know the truth" should study the Scriptures thoroughly to attain maturity - i.e., the perfect (2 Tim 3:16-17, Heb 6:1, Rev 3:2, 1 Cor 13:10-12).

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, Don19 said:

Spirit baptism, and not water baptism

Scripture clearly indicates there is only one and you are saying there is two... clearly stated by you and I will have to agree to disagree with you in this