Alive Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, maryjayne said: However, I challenge the concept that speaking in tongues is proof of baptism in the Holy Spirit, and if someone doesn't speak in tongues then they are not saved. You haven't said this, but many believe this. Yes—many believe that. ANd you are correct again—I did not say that. :-) My intention was to bring a reasonable point of view based on experience. The subject is fraught with misunderstanding. This is why I chose my words carefully. It is as valid an experience now as it was way back when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted January 16, 2020 So this doesn't get out of control. See this scripture below. Paul is speaking for the context of an assembly. 1Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. 1Cor. 12:30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? Tongues in this context are for lack of a better way to explain--part of the gift of prophecy to the Church. Paul also said that he spoke in tongues, more than ye all. 1Cor. 14:18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. I suggest that Paul very rarely if at all spoke in tongues in the assembly and yet he said that he does "more than you all". So I suggest that this was the experience that I related earlier. A more personal experience. I don't know this for sure, but I think I understand Paul and I do know my own experience and that of others. Jesus himself mentions this: Mark 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; But again remember, not everyone manifests the same gift(s). Seek the Lord to prophecy and to be a teacher. Realize that to prophecy is not necessarily to foretell, but also to forth tell. To speak a 'word' from the Lord under an unction of the Spirit for edification, instruction and encouragement. As always--Love trumps it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2020 Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit. It is a language between the believer and God. It is private from my personal experience. A love language between you and your Creator. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo Posted January 18, 2020 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 85 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 58 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2020 Several years ago, I went through a "charismatic" phase, during which I received the gift of tongues. I even got to the point where I actually "understood" some of what I was saying. It was wonderful. However, the longer I stayed with this group, the more I realized that they ere drifting further anf further away from the "whole" Biblical truth. They were a millennial in the sense that they believed that Christ would not return until believers had "conquered" the entire world for Jesus. I now belong to a more traditional church, and only use my gift of tongues rarely in private prayer. Tongues is a gift of self edification. Mo one else benefits unless there is someone there to interpret tongues. This has never happened in my presence. If I could choose my spiritual gifts. I would choose the gifts of prophecy and interpretation. Those gifts benefit the body; not just self. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted February 22, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Paul was writing to them to correct their misuse of tongues. They were out of order and in chaos. Pagan tongues back them were not languages, just gibberish. From Acts 2, we learn that the disciples were speaking real human languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted February 22, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 12:45 PM, miaandme said: Does the common Christian talk in tongues to others? not sure on the subject but i heard more than one sayins No, it is the least of the gifts. And, the Holy Spirit gives most people people higher gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 22, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,154 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,443 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 12:10 PM, Alive said: In my experience tongues is one of the evidences of the indwelling Spirit and a great blessing and benefit to the individual. I assure you that tongues is totally under the control of the individual and not being in some kind of takeover trance like state that some folks talk about. It is an out flowing work of the Spirit within and as has been mentioned with scripture reference, edifying and praying and praising. When their are those who prophecy in a gathering, its not required in that corporate context, although sometimes less mature ones can be exuberant. It happens. Personally, I speak in tongues when alone and usually when either praising Him or when in what I call inspired prayer. To me—prayer is essentially agreeing with God. THere ar times when this is more profound and obvious. Sometimes—in those moments—that unction is present and it just flows. In control, but it is obvious that it is a moving of the Spirit. You are both a participant and a spectator. It really is a very remarkable experience and one feels quite full to overflowing. Not an easy thing to articulate. But very real. Please understand Brother of mine I am not attacking only reasoning with you I would never incline myself to such for this reason: God says He 'IS' the foundation on which all else is to be built. God places specific to 'Word' John 1... as the Word of God gives substance to our ability to reason I have this- Why would God give us His communicable Word which is sufficient to all good works, 2Tim 3:15-17, meditations, motivations etc. and then lead us to trust in subjective feelings in non-verifiable means of said Word which all else is to be foundationed upon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted February 22, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Don't think to worry about attacking or offending. You would never incline yourself to what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted February 22, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted February 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Alive said: Don't think to worry about attacking or offending. You would never incline yourself to what? @Daniel MarshIts a question. I generally have a reason for asking a question. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted February 22, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 1/28/2019 at 6:46 AM, tankopia1@gmail.com said: Why is speaking in tongues only mentioned in Corinthians? The first mention of this began in references to the book of Isaiah. Isaiah 28:11-13 KJV 11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Then again in Acts the second chapter. This is the day of Pentecost. Acts 2:1-20 King James Version (KJV) 2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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