R. Hartono Posted March 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 7:46 AM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: JESUS said: Whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven. The Omniscient God knows that my reply was on the page 19 whose biblical content quoting from His expressed Word of God stayed hidden, but this behavior will not impede the literal fulfilment of what was written in my hidden post because the Lord has said that His Word will not return unto Him void, but it will accomplish that which He pleases, and it will prosper in the thing whereto He sent it. The Word is God, yeah, the Word is God, this explains "why no man hath seen God at any time", understand? 1 John 4:v.12 JESUS said: Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast both soul and body into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him. These words of JESUS will fulfil now, even now, literally. You said This first seal reveals the PROPHETIC union between Christ and His Church Jesus's union with His church is well understood by apostle John 50 years be4 he rcvd the Revelation at Patmos island and John already knew that, why would John cried for the things he already knew ? Rev 6:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted March 30, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/29/2019 at 10:20 AM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: What I posted is a prophetical message written in the Psalms 45, understand? If you understand not JESUS's union with his Church as being the marriage of Christ, sorry but this can only be the result of your blindness. Are you sleeping, Hartono? Wake up, wake up, though it be midnight. Its not about the marriage of Christ, the white horse rider went forth conquering, and to conquer. He conquer the world with peace covenants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2019 20 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Its not about the marriage of Christ, the white horse rider went forth conquering, and to conquer. He conquer the world with peace covenants. Why do you write myths. Your theory is impossible unless you pull that first seal out of the context of chapters 4 & 5. They show us that Jesus got the book and began opening the seals as soon as He ascended - around 32 AD. The first seal is to represent the church taking the gospel to the world. OF COURSE there must be conquering. Satan is the god of this world! Do you imagine he would just step aside and allow the gospel to advance to the rest of the world? Not a chance! He has fought tooth and nail, so to speak, to stop the advance of the gospel. Did you just not notice that John used the color white 16 other times in Revelation - each time to represent righteousness? Why then would ANYONE imagine in this one case God would use white to represent evil? It would never happen. Do you imagine that of the ten Kingdoms, of which the Little Horn took out three - that he did it with peace? Not a chance! It was with war. Why do you think the people say "who can make war with him? Please, don't pull verses out of their context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, iamlamad said: Why do you write myths. The first seal is to represent the church taking the gospel to the world. The church taking gospel to the world has been started by apostle John cs. 50 years be4 he rcvd the Revelation at Patmos island and John already knew that, why would John cried for the things he already knew ? Rev 6:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 2 Cor 11 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light a/c will conquer and deceive the whole world with fake peace enable him to rule the world. The white horse of Jesus is found in Rev 19 with its divine characteristics. Edited March 31, 2019 by R. Hartono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2019 5 hours ago, R. Hartono said: The church taking gospel to the world has been started by apostle John cs. 50 years be4 he rcvd the Revelation at Patmos island and John already knew that, why would John cried for the things he already knew ? Rev 6:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 2 Cor 11 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light a/c will conquer and deceive the whole world with fake peace enable him to rule the world. The white horse of Jesus is found in Rev 19 with its divine characteristics. This is very simple: God wanted to introduce John to the book with 7 seals, so showed John a vision of the past - first before Jesus rose from the dead - to the moment He rose from the dead - to the moment He ascended, took the book and began opening the seals. John shows us clearly that moment Jesus ascended and sent the Holy Spirit down. This was to show us HIS timing for the first seals. He cried because it seemed no one could be found worthy to take the book and open the seals, but yet he knew that it was very very very important. At the time he was seeing this vision, he was so absorbed with the vision he had no thoughts that it had already been accomplished. He then wrote exactly what the vision had shown him. If you insist this first white horse is the antichrist, you will be pulling it out of its first century context, and you will simply be WRONG. Think of the 5th seal: that is for the martyrs of the church age. You are 2000 years off in your explanation. They are told they have to wait for their complete number before judgment can begin. That means church age. If they were 70th week martyrs judgment would have already started. The truth is, the church has been waiting between the 5th and 6th seal all this time. John does not get introduced to the Antichrist beast until chapter 13? You are far far off in your timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted April 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 3/31/2019 at 8:50 PM, iamlamad said: Think of the 5th seal: that is for the martyrs of the church age. You are 2000 years off in your explanation. They are told they have to wait for their complete number before judgment can begin. That means church age. There will be no more church age when the 5th seal is opened, because it means End of Christianity, you are now free to go to church, no longer when the 5th seal is opened, no Bible any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted April 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 3/31/2019 at 8:50 PM, iamlamad said: Think of the 5th seal: that is for the martyrs of the church age. HOW COULD THE BEAST MAKE WAR WITH THE CHURCH IF THEY ARE ALREADY CAUGHT UP TO THE CLOUD ALIVE AND BE WITH THE LORD FOREVER ? 1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. THE ONLY EXPLANATION IS THAT THOSE TRIBULATION SAINTS ARE NOT THE CHURCH OF 1 THES 4:17 THE 2 WITNESSES OF GOD Will ROAM THE EARTH TO GIVE TESTIMONY OF CHRIST AND WIN PEOPLE (TRIBULATION SAINTS) THE TRIBULATION SAINTS BEHEADED BY THE BEAST ARE NOT THE CHURCH OF 1 THES 4:17 EXACTLY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2019 13 hours ago, R. Hartono said: HOW COULD THE BEAST MAKE WAR WITH THE CHURCH IF THEY ARE ALREADY CAUGHT UP TO THE CLOUD ALIVE AND BE WITH THE LORD FOREVER ? 1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. THE ONLY EXPLANATION IS THAT THOSE TRIBULATION SAINTS ARE NOT THE CHURCH OF 1 THES 4:17 THE 2 WITNESSES OF GOD Will ROAM THE EARTH TO GIVE TESTIMONY OF CHRIST AND WIN PEOPLE (TRIBULATION SAINTS) THE TRIBULATION SAINTS BEHEADED BY THE BEAST ARE NOT THE CHURCH OF 1 THES 4:17 EXACTLY !!! Hooray! We have agreement - SO unusual on these threads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2019 13 hours ago, R. Hartono said: There will be no more church age when the 5th seal is opened, because it means End of Christianity, you are now free to go to church, no longer when the 5th seal is opened, no Bible any more. So much for agreement. Sorry, the fifth seal was opened for the FIRST martyr. John saw some martyrs when that seal was opened. It is when the LAST church age martyr is murdered that the rapture will come and END the church age - and the Day of the Lord will instantly follow, as seen in seal 6. The infant church is sent out to take the gospel to the world. Satan gets in the way, intending to stop the gospel inside that 1/4 of the earth allotted for him to work. He was allowed to use wars, famines, pestilences, and wild beasts - but all these things could never stop the gospel. It blew right up past his 1/4 of the earth and is now everywhere. But along the way, he did cause martyrs, and STILL IS. Stop and think: the 70th week martyrs will KNOW they have only to wait out the week. And they would know they were IN judgment. With church age martyrs, and Stephen, for example, murdered when the church was in infancy stage, he and the other early martyrs had NO IDEA how long it would be before judgment would come. It is easy to see that the 5th seal is for CHURCH AGE. Stop and think some more: are we IN the church age? You bet! Are there still martyrs being murdered? You know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2019 16 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: You are saying that because you know not who is the rider described in the verses 3-5 of Psalms 45, seems you have not Spirit to interpret the vison that is revelead in the Psalms 45. Yes, the white horse rider and they which are with him will fight against the great red Dragon, who is the false messiah of the Jews, the MAN of sin and son of perdition, he who will manifest himself very soon through the power of his seven heads, ten horns, and a TAIL, and whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. The false messiah, I mean the Red Dragon, will cast out of his mouth water (words) as a flood against the Church of the Lord JESUS. As it is prophesied, will be given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies for forty and two months and he will open his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blasphem His name (JESUS), and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in blessed heavenly place in Christ, and will make war with the saints of the Lord. But the Church will flee into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days or 42 months. There will be war against the false messiah and they which are with him, that is the red Dragon called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world, he will not prevail neither will be their place found no more, and he will be cast down and his allies will be cast down with him. Then is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, the Word is God, and the power of His Christ, the Word made flesh, for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night. The God´s people will overcome the Dragon, the false messiah of the Jews, by the blood of JESUS, and by the word of the testimony of them all; verily they will not love their lives unto the death. He will conquer the world with war and not with peace on any kind of convenant, what you have written is not true, it is an apostasy, beyond you to blasphem with your topic saying "the white horse rider" is the Devil, the Antichrist. What will be your reward? The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign for ever and ever. On the other hand, the nations will be angry, and the wrath of God will come and fall upon them, upon all nations, there will not be escape, and also the time of the dead, that they should be judged, God should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name and that He should come to destroy those which destroy the earth. The false messiah, I mean the Red Dragon, will cast out of his mouth water (words) as a flood against the Church of the Lord JESUS. Why do you insist on writing myth? The church will have been raptured from the earth 3.5 years previous to the events in chapter 12. All you have to do is READ IT: it is the WOMAN (according to Jesus, those living in Judea) who flees into the wilderness and whom Satan (the Dragon) sends the flood after. the Church will flee into the wilderness WRONG! The church will be GONE, having been raptured before the 6th seal. It is the WOMAN who flees. Next, stop accusing others here of blasphemy. We are all brothers in Christ. Judge not lest you be judged. You are sometimes more wrong than others. What is worse, you THINK you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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