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20 minutes ago, Mystic_Pizza said:

Ezek.38-8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
 

Yes, I read it. Which war, Shiloh? How many? Here is what I read when I read the entire verse: that the people were gathered from many nations back to their own land, which had long been desolate. Brought out of many nations, now living in safety. Well, safety is a somewhat relative term, I think. The land had 'long been desolate', although there were people here and there who lived there, so 'desolate' is a somewhat relative term as well, wouldn't you say? The people were brought out from 'many nations', that's certainly true. They aren't 'walled in' like they were back in ancient times- your issue seems to be that Russia can't possibly consider invading them, that it makes no sense to you, and would do more harm than good. Maybe so, but according to scripture, that is exactly what they do. Why, is anyone's guess. But scripture still says that is what will happen, and that God is going to 'put the hook in their jaw' and cause it to be so. I don't understand the 'why', but ....again....it's what scripture says. So, whether I believe it or not is a somewhat moot point, because my opinion certainly isn't going to change the reality of the situation. It comes down to a matter of...sitting back and waiting to see how it all unfolds, according to prophecy. We can study, we can surmise, but until it happens the way God planned for it to happen, not one of us knows 100% the way this will unfold. Myself included.

And that is the end of my opinion on this, because I refuse to get caught up in an argument that isn't important as it is. The reason I say it isn't important, is because regardless of what anyone says 'yea or nay' about it, it will unfold the way God has said it will, and we will all watch as it does. That would just seem to be how it is.

Scripture is very clear what war takes place before Gog invades Israel.

https://biblehub.com/revelation/16-16.htm

Gog invades after the war.Not before.

 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/20-8.htm

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  • Israel is living in false security (Ezek. 38:11). Look at Israel today. It does not live securely. Only a deceptive peace treaty will fool them into doing so.
  • God refers to Gog as “you are the one of whom I spoke in former days through my servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring you against them” (Ezek. 38: 17 NASB). This can only refer to the Antichrist, and the Antichrist only arises and attacks Israel at the Midpoint of Daniel’s 70th Week.
  • God states that he will rain hail, fire, and brimstone on the forces of Gog. (Ezek. 38:22) This only occurs during the First Trumpet judgment. This time stamps that event as occurring at the beginning of the Seventh Year of the 70th Week of Daniel.
  • After God defeats Gog and his army, God feeds them to the birds of the air (Ezek. 39: 17-20). This is an exact match with Rev. 19: 17 -18 where God calls the birds to gather to feast on the bodies of the Antichrist forces after the Battle of Armageddon.
  • God calls Gog’s forces a cloud that covers the land which is a match with God’s description of them in Joel 2:2.
  • After the battle, the Jewish captives are released and brought back to the land (Ezek. 39: 25-28). This happens after the Battle of Armageddon, and cannot happen prior to that point according to all the other pictures of the 70th Week . This passage also claims that from that day forward, God will not allow a single Jew will be left behind in the nations. This is rock solid evidence that this can only refer to the end of the 70thWeek.
  • After this battle, God will not let his Holy Name be profaned any more (Ezek. 39: 7). This can only happen at the conclusion of the 70th Week of Daniel. It is utter nonsense to believe that this can apply to a time before the 70th Week.
  • After the Battle, Israel knows the Lord is God from that point on forever (Ezek. 39: 22). Again, this can only happen at the conclusion of the 70th Week.
  • God announces that this “is the day of which I have spoken” (Ezek. 39:8 ).
  • After the battle, God pours out his Spirit on Israel (Ezek. 39:29).
  • Finally, in Ezek. 38: 19-20 we learn that Jesus is physically present on the earth. As we have seen all of these aspects can only be fulfilled at the conclusion of Daniel’s 70th Week and at no other time.

And the word of the Lord came to me saying,  “Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog (Turkey), the prince of Rosh , Meshech (Turkey), and Tubal (Turkey), and prophesy against him and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal.(Turkey)  I will turn you about (remember Daniel ‘you will turn back’) and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords;  Persia, Ethiopia (actually Sudan) and Put (Libya) with them, all of them with shield and helmet;  Gomer (Turkey/Assyria) with all its troops; Beth-togarmah (Turkey/Assyria) from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you. (Ezek. 38: 1-6 NASB, 

Gog (of the land of).....Prince of Rosh......prophecy against him...... this is the Antichrist God is speaking to.

Russia is not mentioned. The only reason people equate Rosh with Russia is because they sound similar. Rosh is a common Hebrew name that means "head or chief" in literal translation. Rosh was not a grandson or great grandson of Noah like the namesakes of all the other nations were. Because of this it does not qualify for God's definition of a nation based on blood lines found in Genesis.

http://www.thegospelintheendtimes.com/gog-of-magog/russia-syria-gog-magog/

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When Gog invades the land of Israel,his son israel shall be completely safe without any fear of anyone or anything.

God does not lie.

 

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-14.htm

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2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

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Russia is not mentioned. The only reason people equate Rosh with Russia is because they sound similar. Rosh is a common Hebrew name that means "head or chief" in literal translation. Rosh was not a grandson or great grandson of Noah like the namesakes of all the other nations were. Because of this it does not qualify for God's definition of a nation based on blood lines found in Genesis.

http://www.thegospelintheendtimes.com/gog-of-magog/russia-syria-gog-magog/

Just out of curiosity, if Rosh is not Russia why does it call this person the 'prince of' if it means 'head, or chief'? It named several other places in that sentence, but you say the word 'rosh' is not a place, but a title...? The bible speaks about the land to the 'uttermost north of Israel' as the one to attack them, bringing with them several other nations as well, Turkey, Libya, etc. What people/country is it who are at the 'uttermost north' of Israel? Legitimate question I'm asking here, since Russia is to the uttermost north?

I'll toss this in as an 'edit'- I just read some things regarding 'rosh' being used in the bible some 800-odd times, and always meaning 'head or chief' as opposed to an actual place or people- I'm always open to the idea that I could be wrong, and will gladly admit it when I am, lol- however, I'm curious as to just who it is that is to the 'utmost north'...as for God putting a hook in the jaw, and I think at one point it mentions something about dragging Gog where he doesn't want to go (or something to that effect...), it seems odd that the antichrist wouldn't want to go, unless he knows his destruction awaits him in ...Jerusalem, or something? I'm totally speculating here- I get the impression you've studied this pretty closely, and I'm curious what you think about this-

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46 minutes ago, Mystic_Pizza said:

Just out of curiosity, if Rosh is not Russia why does it call this person the 'prince of' if it means 'head, or chief'? It named several other places in that sentence, but you say the word 'rosh' is not a place, but a title...? The bible speaks about the land to the 'uttermost north of Israel' as the one to attack them, bringing with them several other nations as well, Turkey, Libya, etc. What people/country is it who are at the 'uttermost north' of Israel? Legitimate question I'm asking here, since Russia is to the uttermost north?

Hi MP,

Ezek 38:6...."Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north" identifies what the remote parts of the north are.

Most bible scholars believe this is the Black Sea area. I think what matters in all of this is what the "remote parts of the north" were to Ezekiel and not us today.

If you look at a map of the area, Finland is actually the 'uttermost' land north of Israel, (as the crow flies.)

The Blue Letter Bible says this:

Togarmah = "thou wilt break her"

proper masculine noun
  1. son of Gomer, grandson of Japheth, and great grandson of Noah

    proper noun with reference to a territory
  2. territory settled by the descendants of Togarmah

    1. probably the area known as Armenia

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7 hours ago, Mystic_Pizza said:

I don't believe anyone 'wants' to do anything- there are always ulterior motives. What about God putting the Egyptian Pharaoh on his throne just to display His power against him? (Romans 9:17) But here is why I believe they will invade, whether or not we understand why:

Ezekiel 38-39

The Lord’s Great Victory Over the Nations

38 The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of[a] Meshek and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[b] Meshek and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush[c] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

“‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d] 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

17 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’

39 “Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[f] Meshek and Tubal. I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord.

“‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel. It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord. This is the day I have spoken of.

“‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. 10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign Lord.

11 “‘On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east of the Sea. It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog.[g]

12 “‘For seven months the Israelites will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I display my glory will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign Lord. 14 People will be continually employed in cleansing the land. They will spread out across the land and, along with others, they will bury any bodies that are lying on the ground.

“‘After the seven months they will carry out a more detailed search. 15 As they go through the land, anyone who sees a human bone will leave a marker beside it until the gravediggers bury it in the Valley of Hamon Gog, 16 near a town called Hamonah.[h] And so they will cleanse the land.’

17 “Son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals: ‘Assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you, the great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were rams and lambs, goats and bulls—all of them fattened animals from Bashan. 19 At the sacrifice I am preparing for you, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. 20 At my table you will eat your fill of horses and riders, mighty men and soldiers of every kind,’ declares the Sovereign Lord.

21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. 22 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.

25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob[i] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

The Word of God says it, End of Story.

Shalom, Mystic_Pizza.

Sorry, but that's not "Russia"; those are cities in what is now called TURKEY, ASIA MINOR! It's good that you believe the Bible and quote it so readily, but be sure you know of whom you're talking.

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3 hours ago, Mystic_Pizza said:

Just out of curiosity, if Rosh is not Russia why does it call this person the 'prince of' if it means 'head, or chief'? It named several other places in that sentence, but you say the word 'rosh' is not a place, but a title...? The bible speaks about the land to the 'uttermost north of Israel' as the one to attack them, bringing with them several other nations as well, Turkey, Libya, etc. What people/country is it who are at the 'uttermost north' of Israel? Legitimate question I'm asking here, since Russia is to the uttermost north?

I'll toss this in as an 'edit'- I just read some things regarding 'rosh' being used in the bible some 800-odd times, and always meaning 'head or chief' as opposed to an actual place or people- I'm always open to the idea that I could be wrong, and will gladly admit it when I am, lol- however, I'm curious as to just who it is that is to the 'utmost north'...as for God putting a hook in the jaw, and I think at one point it mentions something about dragging Gog where he doesn't want to go (or something to that effect...), it seems odd that the antichrist wouldn't want to go, unless he knows his destruction awaits him in ...Jerusalem, or something? I'm totally speculating here- I get the impression you've studied this pretty closely, and I'm curious what you think about this-

Shalom, again, Mystic_Pizza.

The word "Ro'sh" means "Head" in Hebrew. It's the word that is used in our civil New Year, "Ro'sh HaShannah," the "Head of-The-Year." As such, it IS more a title than it is a name.

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4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Mystic_Pizza.

Sorry, but that's not "Russia"; those are cities in what is now called TURKEY, ASIA MINOR! It's good that you believe the Bible and quote it so readily, but be sure you know of whom you're talking.

If we were all sure who was who and what is what, none of us would be posting and comparing much of anything on forums such as these, lol. I'm always open to different interpretation other than any I may have, along with proof for it, because I realize I could always be wrong, and I don't claim anything I say to be written in stone. All I can do is what everyone else does and give an opinion and why I believe what I believe. In this particular forum, my opinion is when Ezekiel 38 and 39 happen, I guess all of us will know exactly who is doing what and where it's happening! :D

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On 2/2/2019 at 7:57 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

You think one of the leading producers of the worlds oil (ranked 3rd with 7th rank proven reserves)would invade Israrl who is ranked 86th in the world for proven oil reserves?

Where is the logic in your thinking?

You believe Russia would risk being annihilted by Israels nuclear weapons arsenal for something that doesnt exist?

As for the dead sea.

Russia has its own.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Baskunchak

 

So ,what other reasons would Russia want to invade a nuclear power such as Israel?

I think that the "Russia (Soviet Union) is going to invade Israel for their minerals and oil" narrative came from the likes of Hal Lindsey, et al. during the 70s-80s, if memory serves.

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On 2/3/2019 at 7:52 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

There are some people who believe and teach that Russia will invade Israel before the coming of our Lord.

The question is,

What would Russia have to gain by attempting to invade a nuclear power such as Israel?

Would Russia want Moscow wiped off the face of the earth?

couldn't agree more, its just the nonsense people come up with trying to interpret scripture

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