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1 hour ago, pinacled said:

Circumstantially David avoided the direct action of murdering the man. 

 

No he did not, he planned the murder, he ordered it. Can't get much more directly involved than that.

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3 minutes ago, pinacled said:

No where ever has Yeshua or the tzadik ever instructed anyone that the son of perdition Judas or the murderer itself is to be forgiven.

How does that relate to the verse you were using below.....trying to understand what you are getting at....

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22, KJV)

what is the tzadik?

In regards to your staement and the verse I quoted that you are responded to

37 minutes ago, Mike 2 said:

Mat 12:31  So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

These are Yeshua's (Jesus) own words. When he says every sin will be forgiven I think there isn't much opportunity for misunderstanding that...... is there? To contradict that would require a very clear biblical staement.

Can you show me something difinitive that I can consider?

20 minutes ago, pinacled said:

"Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."

What do you suppose abstaining from blood is meant here?

There is a particular meaning to this verse. I'm not sure what your interpretation of it is.

Would you be able to take a moment and explain your thoughts on it and what it means to you?

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38 minutes ago, Mike 2 said:

How does that relate to the verse you were using below.....trying to understand what you are getting at....

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22, KJV)

what is the tzadik?

In regards to your staement and the verse I quoted that you are responded to

These are Yeshua's (Jesus) own words. When he says every sin will be forgiven I think there isn't much opportunity for misunderstanding that...... is there? To contradict that would require a very clear biblical staement.

Can you show me something difinitive that I can consider?

There is a particular meaning to this verse. I'm not sure what your interpretation of it is.

Would you be able to take a moment and explain your thoughts on it and what it means to you?

Abstaining from blood is an instruction that directly involves murder. For the Life is in the blood. Hence abstain from blood. The Hebrews clearly understand the meaning. Just as is taught by 1 yochanon(john 3 that quayin(Cain is of the evil ones and actions where evil and was condemned to destruction. 

Yeshua clearly stated that Satan is a murderer. The two precepts clearly taught by Yeshua and yochanon are very clear. Anger without cause is quayin. "Swift to shed innocent blood is the mark of the beast".

Proper exegesis is building on the words or instruction of two or three or more witnesses. Its Not a debate of interpretation.

Are you implying that I or any other is instructed in any form by the Lord to forgive what He himself condemned.

Blasphemy of the spirit is sin unto death. 

You can either heed what I was taught and receive the Truth or not. The finality of the son of perdition is already sealed.

Blessings Always

 

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43 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

No he did not, he planned the murder, he ordered it. Can't get much more directly involved than that.

I understand what you are trying to convey. Personally I was appalled by David's plot. Though I still will not be deceived into a snare and say David committed murder. Think on what Yeshua is teaching here. The circumstances of battle where a champion of Yisrayl is a known warrior with many valiant feats on the battlefield. He chose freely to go into battle.

And the commander didn't exactly follow David's plot. Read the entire account and walk with discretion.

"Pray for those who despisefully use you...."

 

Be vigilant readers.

 

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4 minutes ago, pinacled said:

Abstaining from blood is an instruction that directly involves murder. For the Life is in the blood. Hence abstain from blood. The Hebrews clearly understand the meaning. Just as is taught by 1 yochanon(john 3 that quayin(Cain is of the evil ones and actions where evil and was condemned to destruction. 

Yeshua clearly stated that Satan is a murderer. The two precepts clearly taught by Yeshua and yochanon are very clear. Anger without cause is quayin. "Swift to shed innocent blood is the mark of the beast".

Proper exegesis is building on the words or instruction of two or three or more witnesses. Its Not a debate of interpretation.

Are you implying that I or any other is instructed in any form by the Lord to forgive what He himself condemned.

Blasphemy of the spirit is sin unto death. 

You can either heed what I was taught and receive the Truth or not. The finality of the son of perdition is already sealed.

Blessings Always

 

Here are just a few verses ... clearly it states that one is not to eat meat with the blood still in it ... it does not reference murder.

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[Gen 9:4 KJV]
But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

[Lev 17:14 KJV]
For [it is] the life of all flesh; the blood of it [is] for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh [is] the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

[Deu 12:23 KJV]
Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood [is] the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.

 

 

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I am pretty sure that passage refers to consuming blood, not murder :)   That apostolic council would surely not have needed to restate a prohibition against murder for even the dullest of Christians :)

 

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6 minutes ago, pinacled said:

I understand what you are trying to convey. Personally I was appalled by David's plot. Though I still will not be deceived into a snare and say David committed murder. Think on what Yeshua is teaching here. The circumstances of battle where a champion of Yisrayl is a known warrior with many valiant feats on the battlefield. He chose freely to go into battle.

And the commander didn't exactly follow David's plot. Read the entire account and walk with discretion.

"Pray for those who despisefully use you...."

 

Be vigilant readers.

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I have no compunction whatsoever calling a conspiracy to take the life of an innocent man to cover up personal sins against that very man a murder no matter what the method was.

David set in motion a plan to kill him and Joab executed it.

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5 minutes ago, Jostler said:

I am pretty sure that passage refers to consuming blood, not murder :)   That apostolic council would surely not have needed to restate a prohibition against murder for even the dullest of Christians :)

 

Yes it is about a sin offering. And murder is not accepted as atonement.

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Just now, pinacled said:

Yes it is about a sin offering. And murder is not accepted as atonement.

oh baloney :) It's about whether or not gentiles were bound by Jewish law or not  :)

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8 minutes ago, Jostler said:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I have no compunction whatsoever calling a conspiracy to take the life of an innocent man to cover up personal sins against that very man a murder no matter what the method was.

David set in motion a plan to kill him and Joab executed it.

You are Imputing sin. The warrior was used. Despisefully yes. But illiciting a charge of murder is a case you will lose.

 

The practioner who puts the knife to the innocent unborn child is a murderer. The poor woman who is deceived by the practioner should be protected from the evil ones.

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