Popular Post turtletwo Posted February 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1,192 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 7,264 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 15,710 Days Won: 194 Joined: 07/15/2007 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) I just read an article angels4u posted about the history of infanticide. I wanted to follow that with a newspaper article about the recent atrocity regarding abortion in the US. I have been deeply disturbed ever since this wicked law passed. I think this article brings a personal angle to it. Published: Monday, February 4th, 2019 at 3:00am Editor: Last week, the New York Legislature passed a barbaric and sweeping bill legalizing abortion up to the moment of birth. After passing this bill, legislators gave themselves a standing ovation. Our youngest was born prematurely at 26 weeks gestation (six months). Our child was intubated for 48 hours, on a C-Pap for 12 hours, and then on a nasal canula until just prior to release from the NICU 2½ months later. Some of the parents at the NICU were newcomers to the U.S., in punjabs, burkas, turbans and full tribal dress. Many did not have a language in common, but we had in common the fight for our babies’ lives. This profound bond cut across all religious, cultural, national, ethnic and racial lines and went deep into our very souls. Not all of these babies survived. The grief and heartache of the loss of one of these was real. It is an odious insult to compare this loss of a baby to the loss of just a piece of the mom’s body tissue, like a haircut or a nail trim. Today our child is in the gifted program at school, a talented artist and creator of several cartoon series, a trumpet player for band and marching band, studies Mandarin Chinese, has a quirky and hilarious sense of humor, a talent for working with children and above all, is a loving and compassionate human being. If I had aborted this child (according to law, my husband would have had no say in the matter) at six months, the New York Legislature would have given a standing ovation. Yet, if one did that to an unborn puppy, they would face animal cruelty charges. Twenty-first century science and neonatal medicine have made incredible advances, with premature babies viable as early as 20 weeks. The National Institute of Health has developed imaging technology to track the brain activity of pre-born infants. The unborn child has a heartbeat at day 21, brainwaves register on an EEG at day 40, at eight weeks all organs function, at nine weeks individual fingerprints appear and at 10 weeks the baby feels pain. All of these are the hallmarks of an individual human being. For 50-100 years, drunk drivers have been convicted of wrongful death, on two counts, when they kill a pregnant woman and her pre-born baby. Insurance companies have given payouts for the same. Killers have been convicted of two counts of murder in the murder of pregnant women. In both criminal and civil cases, our courts have recognized the personhood of pre-born children for decades. This New York law throws all of these legal precedents under the bus. The New Mexico Legislature is considering passage of a similar bill. It is time for our legislature and U.S. Congress to abandon the medieval torture chambers of abortion, and join 21st century science, neonatal medicine and criminal and civil court precedents to recognize the personhood of unborn babies and their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness… Something worthy of a standing ovation! Ida Mitchell Rio Rancho Edited February 6, 2019 by turtletwo formatting 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post other one Posted February 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,875 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,624 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted February 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,763 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,160 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, other one said: I saw this on fb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,875 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,624 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 hours ago, angels4u said: I saw this on fb one of the many good things on facebook. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtletwo Posted February 7, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1,192 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 7,264 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 15,710 Days Won: 194 Joined: 07/15/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 @other one Thanks for sharing this. It is a powerful statement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtletwo Posted February 7, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1,192 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 7,264 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 15,710 Days Won: 194 Joined: 07/15/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 @Cletus This is a wonderful true story about your daughter! I am so glad you posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PinkBelt Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) I see that this disinformation is still making the rounds. Late term abortions are only legal if the mothers life is in serious jeopardy. I find these so-called "pro-lifers" who leave this part out to be making their contempt for human life obvious. There are cases where a baby has died inside the woman ,gone septic and the mother died because the doctors didn't want to be charged for "killing" the baby. The fact that people leave this information out shows that it isn't life they care about, it's merely pushing the baby through a birth canal that they are fighting for. I really implore people to read these laws for themselves and not just go by what they are told it says. Edited February 8, 2019 by PinkBelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForHisGlory37 Posted February 8, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 722 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, PinkBelt said: I see that this disinformation is still making the rounds. Late term abortions are only legal if the mothers life is in serious jeopardy. I find these so-called who leave this part out to be making their contempt for human life obvious. There are cases where a baby has died inside the woman ,gone septic and the mother died because the doctors didn't want to be charged for "killing" the baby. The fact that people leave this information out shows that it isn't life they care about, it's merely pushing the baby through a birth canal that they are fighting for. I really implore people to read these laws for themselves and not just go by what they are told it says. Hello Pinkbelt, I believe when a baby has died in the mother's womb and it needs to be removed because the body has not naturally miscarried, it is called a D&C, not late term abortions. So, your terminology is not accurate and we have been told by doctors that there aren't any real health risks involved for a woman that she would have to terminate a pregnancy. If there was, it would be more like an ectopic pregnancy, and yes that would have to be removed. Other than that, in my opinion, it would be murdering a baby. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PinkBelt Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, ForHisGlory37 said: Hello Pinkbelt, I believe when a baby has died in the mother's womb and it needs to be removed because the body has not naturally miscarried, it is called a D&C, not late term abortions. So, your terminology is not accurate and we have been told by doctors that there aren't any real health risks involved for a woman that she would have to terminate a pregnancy. If there was, it would be more like an ectopic pregnancy, and yes that would have to be removed. Other than that, in my opinion, it would be murdering a baby. You would be wrong. D&C, or dilation and curettage is a technique where you dilate the cervix and remove the tissue inside. It has nothing to do with what trimester the "abortion" is performed in. I had to take biology as part of my training for Clinical psychology and no doctor has said what you are claiming. The following are highly life threatening to a pregnant woman: - Placenta percreta - Haemorrhage - Blood pressure and blood clots - Sepsis - Amniotic Fluid Embolism (almost always fatal to the mother) This isn't even a full list. Sometimes you just can't save the baby, period. But certain pro-birthers who either through extreme ignorance of the conditions I listed or depraved indifference would prevent mothers from saving their lives. I do not like anti-abortion laws because too many women have died because of them. Regardless, the law doesn't saw what people are claiming. Edited February 8, 2019 by PinkBelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForHisGlory37 Posted February 9, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 722 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, PinkBelt said: You would be wrong. D&C, or dilation and curettage is a technique where you dilate the cervix and remove the tissue inside. It has nothing to do with what trimester the "abortion" is performed in. I had to take biology as part of my training for Clinical psychology and no doctor has said what you are claiming. The following are highly life threatening to a pregnant woman: - Placenta percreta - Haemorrhage - Blood pressure and blood clots - Sepsis - Amniotic Fluid Embolism (almost always fatal to the mother) This isn't even a full list. Sometimes you just can't save the baby, period. But certain pro-birthers who either through extreme ignorance of the conditions I listed or depraved indifference would prevent mothers from saving their lives. I do not like anti-abortion laws because too many women have died because of them. Regardless, the law doesn't saw what people are claiming. Health Topics: Facts for Women: Termination of Pregnancy A woman may choose to have an abortion for many different reasons, including: She is not ready to become a parent. She cannot afford a baby. She doesn't want to be a single parent. She doesn't want anyone to know she has had sex or is pregnant. She has all the children that she wants. She or the fetus has a health problem. https://depts.washington.edu/uwcoe/healthtopics/familyplan/term_facts.htm I don't know if you noticed but the issue of health problems of the mother or fetus came last......All those other reasons for termination or abortion are just not something that our HOLY FATHER in heaven would approve of. The real thing about abortion that most people don't realize is that it is another form of sacrificing our children to satan. That is the bottom line, when babies are being aborted, they are really symbolically being offered up to Molech and Baal...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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