why did Jesus wait 2500ish years to contract with the Jew to keep the 10 commandments

[RRep]

So all the cults can be blown out of the water answering this topic. You can not start the world by giving the first people grace and sometime in the future add the laws to going to heaven. notice I did not say salvation. no one but the Jews needed to be saved from the Law contract they foolishly agreed to keep. note they failed to keep both the law and the sacrifice. God is the only perfect Being and only that comes out of his mouth. Jesus set the Jews up for failure to prove a point. Satan gets it now but should have thunk first before wanting to be God, a created being can never be a god. Jesus is amused by how bad Satan is doing at godhood on Earth. If Jesus was here the lion would lay down with the sheep. Everything would be served to us on a gold plate. God is in the business of service to His created.  You decide if you want Jesus now or go to the lake of fire for unbelief in His death burial and Resurrection that proved His GODHOOD. The only people that were blood bought would have to be the jew. The gentile had nothing to do with the contract. Adam and Eve were Gentiles if they wanted to end up in Heaven all they had to do was want to be with God/Jesus the Godman that told them He made them out of the ground they were standing on.

Run from any pastor that tells you we are in the time of grace now. We have been under Grace since God decided to create the universe. hell! Jesus even gave Satan Grace to be god of the Earth for a time, all done to teach us a lesson. ie: You can not be god you need GOD to exist period make your choice before you die or your choice will be made for you. 

[simplejeff]

1 hour ago, RRep said:

no one but the Jews needed to be saved from the Law contract they foolishly agreed to keep.

Who teaches this ?  (what group or evangelist or whoever ?  )

[angels4u]

2 hours ago, RRep said:

So all the cults can be blown out of the water answering this topic. You can not start the world by giving the first people grace and sometime in the future add the laws to going to heaven. notice I did not say salvation. no one but the Jews needed to be saved from the Law contract they foolishly agreed to keep. note they failed to keep both the law and the sacrifice. God is the only perfect Being and only that comes out of his mouth. Jesus set the Jews up for failure to prove a point. Satan gets it now but should have thunk first before wanting to be God, a created being can never be a god. Jesus is amused by how bad Satan is doing at godhood on Earth. If Jesus was here the lion would lay down with the sheep. Everything would be served to us on a gold plate. God is in the business of service to His created.  You decide if you want Jesus now or go to the lake of fire for unbelief in His death burial and Resurrection that proved His GODHOOD. The only people that were blood bought would have to be the jew. The gentile had nothing to do with the contract. Adam and Eve were Gentiles if they wanted to end up in Heaven all they had to do was want to be with God/Jesus the Godman that told them He made them out of the ground they were standing on.

Run from any pastor that tells you we are in the time of grace now. We have been under Grace since God decided to create the universe. hell! Jesus even gave Satan Grace to be god of the Earth for a time, all done to teach us a lesson. ie: You can not be god you need GOD to exist period make your choice before you die or your choice will be made for you. 

Who do you think Jesus is, what does He mean to you?

[RRep]

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

Who teaches this ?  (what group or evangelist or whoever ?  )

the cults do not teach this.  right! in light of the fact that if the laws were so important to Jesus He would have told Adam to keep them, and pass the info along to the family. Since Jesus is God in the flesh and all knowing. God does not try to pull a fast one on us. The Catholic's did though. Funny thing is they hoped no one would realize the book of Genisis set the scene for who Jesus's character is. They could not add to the word of God in the book of Genisis because the Jew had thousands of copies out. The Protestants did not even catch this. So you need to rethink what this means if you got an analytical mind?

[RRep]

24 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Who do you think Jesus is, what does He mean to you?

Jesus is the God who walked with Adam in the Garden, put to sleep and pulled a rib out to make Eve. He is the one Moses saw the back side of. Also, the one who visited Abraham with 2 Angels and had dinner with. Jesus said to the woman with the blood issue He came for the Jew first. So His death and bloodshed was for the jew. His resurrection proved His Godhood and He made that the new covenant for the world to believe in.

I can refute the Muslim just by showing them that God did not demand Adam not create SHIRK (idolatry) in the book that they are to refer to the people of the book for. 

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, RRep said:

So all the cults can be blown out of the water answering this topic. You can not start the world by giving the first people grace and sometime in the future add the laws to going to heaven. notice I did not say salvation. no one but the Jews needed to be saved from the Law contract they foolishly agreed to keep. note they failed to keep both the law and the sacrifice. God is the only perfect Being and only that comes out of his mouth. Jesus set the Jews up for failure to prove a point. Satan gets it now but should have thunk first before wanting to be God, a created being can never be a god. Jesus is amused by how bad Satan is doing at godhood on Earth. If Jesus was here the lion would lay down with the sheep. Everything would be served to us on a gold plate. God is in the business of service to His created.  You decide if you want Jesus now or go to the lake of fire for unbelief in His death burial and Resurrection that proved His GODHOOD. The only people that were blood bought would have to be the jew. The gentile had nothing to do with the contract. Adam and Eve were Gentiles if they wanted to end up in Heaven all they had to do was want to be with God/Jesus the Godman that told them He made them out of the ground they were standing on.

Run from any pastor that tells you we are in the time of grace now. We have been under Grace since God decided to create the universe. hell! Jesus even gave Satan Grace to be god of the Earth for a time, all done to teach us a lesson. ie: You can not be god you need GOD to exist period make your choice before you die or your choice will be made for you.

 

Hi RRep,

Pleased to meet you and discuss this interesting topic. Now I believe that anyone, pre-Abraham included, need to do more than just `want to be with God/Jesus`. Everyone has to repent of their sin, then listen, obey and worship God/Jesus. People `want` lots of things but God requires a repentant, humble heart.

You may like to add more details to your thoughts.

BTW I do agree that the `law` was to teach, bring Israel to Christ. They like us, a lot, think we can do something to earn our way to heaven.

Marilyn.

[Who me]

10 hours ago, RRep said:

He would have told Adam to keep them, and pass the info along to the family.

And your evidence that Adam didn't know how God expected him and his decendants to live is?

That Cain and Able sought to worship God shows that they knew how to worship and the correct way to worship. It is in gen 6 that we read that wickedness was increasing.

After Noah a rightous man the world was populated by his sons who knew about God and how to serve him.

That people forgot or ignored what they were taught  about God is not surprising, what is, is how willing God has always been to bring people into his worship see 1Kings 8:41-43 Solomons dedication of the temple includes other nations coming because they have heard about God.

Salvation is from the Jews, because Jesus was born, brought up and lived as a Jew.

[RRep]

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi RRep,

Pleased to meet you and discuss this interesting topic. Now I believe that anyone, pre-Abraham included, need to do more than just `want to be with God/Jesus`. Everyone has to repent of their sin, then listen, obey and worship God/Jesus. People `want` lots of things but God requires a repentant, humble heart.

You may like to add more details to your thoughts.

BTW I do agree that the `law` was to teach, bring Israel to Christ. They like us, a lot, think we can do something to earn our way to heaven.

Marilyn.

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ok Marilyn this is where the rubber meets the road, and people talk with a forked tongue. Give me your definition of the word "REPENT" I will not assume, you do not know what it means! 

Did Adam and Eve confess their unbelief to Jesus when He asked what they had done to know they were naked? or did he just blame her and her the serpent? Is not, that called passing the buck? "Humble heart" so with your theology no one is in heaven? what kind of God do you have? My God knows that people are not perfect in fact only God is perfect and He proved that by keeping all the laws and hell yah He raised himself from the dead and many others. Quite frankly I do not want to be god because it will end me going to the lake of fire, where Satan is headed, for wanting nothing to do with Jesus but be A god. 

"God requires a repentant, humble heart." Show me in scripture this exact wording and I will tell you this is why the woman should not preach. 

Then, after all, you wrote the BTW statement. so Isn't it true that if we confess our sin we have something to brag about in heaven? ah haha I confessed my sin now I am in heaven hehehe.  Sorry to burst your bubble woman the only one going to heaven are those who want Jesus in their lives now and we can brag about that and brag about what He had to go through to get some to believe, He is God in the flesh by His Resurrection. 

Be careful how you word things you could sound like a Catholic stuck in replacement theology.

Adam did not even get baptized lol oh no he is in hell. yah right. what kind of God would slowly roll out what He expects of us over 2500 years! It is pretty obvious that believing what God says is very important to Jesus. When He said do not eat from the tree of death you are to believe that. He will not lead you astray.  It was their unbelief that got them in trouble so they had to suffer here for 900 years. We suffer 100 if we are lucky but go to the lake of fire for unbelief. unbelief, before we die, is unforgivable. The Universe is the testament to a creator.  

If we understand the book of Genisis we can filter out the Catholic garbage that made its way into the KJV new testament. Even calling it a new and old testament is garbage.  

So after reading all that and you still have not looked up the meaning of  ?Mateneo? ie. repent = change your mind do a 180 degree turn.  So "Repent and believe," I think that wording will be found in scripture.

Sorry to be brash Jesus was too. "pit of vipers and whitewashed tombs."  

[angels4u]

19 hours ago, RRep said:

Jesus is the God who walked with Adam in the Garden, put to sleep and pulled a rib out to make Eve. He is the one Moses saw the back side of. Also, the one who visited Abraham with 2 Angels and had dinner with. Jesus said to the woman with the blood issue He came for the Jew first. So His death and bloodshed was for the jew. His resurrection proved His Godhood and He made that the new covenant for the world to believe in.

I can refute the Muslim just by showing them that God did not demand Adam not create SHIRK (idolatry) in the book that they are to refer to the people of the book for. 

You said,Jesus is the God? Do you agree that Jesus is God ?

Did you asked Him to be your personal Savior?

John 3 

The New Birth

3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you,unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish buthave eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[JustPassingThru]

why did Jesus wait 2500ish years to contract with the Jew to keep the 10 commandments

To show mankind their ultimate depravity, ...Adam was created in the image of God, he was the most intelligent man created, he had the intelligence of God, then he rebelled and all of his descendants after him also, that includes you and me.

Why?   ....Because how many times have we heard it said, "God is not fair!," so He gave time to man, and is still doing it, to prove there is something Good in himself, the he can be a righteous being, ...but every man since Adam until the last one born will fail miserably, just like you and I have!

The communion Adam had with God has been broken and so it is in every man, just like you and me, that's why, in the fullness of time, God gave the Law to the children of Israel, so show us the way back to communion with God, ...through the shed blood of Jesus Christ the communion with God is restored, however, our communion with God is much more than Adam experienced, we that are born again have God the Holy Spirit living inside of us!

Lord bless