BeauJangles Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted March 12, 2019 20 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: We've been having a big fight in the United Methodist Church over homosexuality. Why do some pastors want us to believe homosexuality is not a sin? Oh my! I Don't know how this subject entered into the topic here, but yes, the United Methodists, and especially the Episcopal Church, are sadly steeped into this tragic issue. With the present darkness of this doctrine of devils taking hold, it's not likely to see any positive change for godliness in this instance. How sad this is. God bless! Shalom, David/BeauJangles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: Oh my! I Don't know how this subject entered into the topic here, but yes, the United Methodists, and especially the Episcopal Church, are sadly steeped into this tragic issue. With the present darkness of this doctrine of devils taking hold, it's not likely to see any positive change for godliness in this instance. How sad this is. God bless! Shalom, David/BeauJangles And yet we won. The decision was made. I am not familiar with the details, but as I understand it, same-sex marriage will continue to be banned, and homosexual and lesbian clergy will not be allowed. Now what? I'm not of the opinion the rebellious clergy intend to mend their ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: You misquoted me. I didn't say "most people do." I said "most people seem to." Okay; most people seem to.... How has the conclusion that most people seem to been reached? I am still quite curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Okay; most people seem to.... How has the conclusion that most people seem to been reached? I am still quite curious. My experience is most people believe salvation means you are going to heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortangel Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 839 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 634 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/12/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2019 that is true, salvation is a free gift from the Lord, you cannot earn it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,851 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,760 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, shortangel said: that is true, salvation is a free gift from the Lord, you cannot earn it The Lord (Jesus), gives it to whom and when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: The Lord (Jesus), gives it to whom and when? Who? Anybody. When? When anybody sincerely asks for it. “ All that ask receive.......” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,851 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,760 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Who? Anybody. When? When anybody sincerely asks for it. “ All that ask receive.......” With respect to you, I don't understand clearly your response; to ask...that I cannot connect with, how about if you do not ask? I have never asked.... Sincerely, not sure how this condition is met... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 3:28 PM, johnthebaptist said: Most people seem to believe that salvation and heaven are one and the same thing. In other words, they believe that if you are saved, then you are going to heaven. What do you think? I don't think heaven is a place, but rather something more like a situation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,851 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,760 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 6:28 PM, johnthebaptist said: Most people seem to believe that salvation and heaven are one and the same thing. In other words, they believe that if you are saved, then you are going to heaven. What do you think? You sure that you are reading the scriptures, or a lot of sermons on theese subjects... Because you have raised a number of subjects... The scriptures asks only those who have heard and understand the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which comes as a package which includes the New Heavenly Inheritance for mankind in Jesus CHRIST , this is to believe in Jesus Christ, so they can inherite a place in Heaven... That's why Jesus Christ died so our sins are not counded against us, for this Heavenly Inheritance, which Jesus earn not only for himself , but for everyone who believes in him, we are co-heirs with him of Heaven. If the Heavenly FATHER has given Jesus Christ his Heavenly Inheritance, yes he has because Jesus is in Heaven, and more he Rules, he is sitted on the Throne in Heaven and he gives us our portion of Heaven to each one of us who believes.. Because everyone who believes has the Lord's Jesus the inheritor of Heaven, and his righteousness and his Life. It is with this righteousness we have by faith in him that we have a right to a place in Heaven... Heaven it's a right for everyone who has Jesus Christ the Lord of Heaven righteousness... Not only Heaven, but among other things...He is who now have the keys of Hades and Death... Not like before... The Sin cannot take a believer to Hell. Only those who die with the denial to believe in Jesus CHRIST as the Saviour.. Not those who do not have the faith in him and who also are not having the denial in him... When Jesus Christ said; if you do not believe in me you will perished, he was talking to people who were invited to believe in him, to those to whom the Gospel was preach, and said that we do not need to belive in you, we have Abraham and Moses.. That's why Jesus said they denied me because of Moses...now Moses has become their Antichrist, not that Moses who was seen to worship Jesus on the mountain of configurations and whom came from Heaven and who said to disciples that Jesus is the Christ..but that they are blinded not to know the truth about Moses. Because Moses said follow the Christ as I also I am following the Christ... There are people who jave not believe but they have not denied.. to believe Jesus Christ as a SAVIOR... We are judge by him , he is our Judge, and he knows when we as believers are having his imputed righteousness by faith, we also have sins in our life , that's it... But Jesus knows that we have the right to Heaven because of having his imputed righteousness... Sin cannot give us death in Jesus Christ, as we are protected by his blood; We are under his blood by faith in him dieing for us. Nothing can snatce us from him, from his blood, Self righteousness is good for obvious reasons. No need for having a selfrighteousness for Heaven. Our faith in Jesus Christ make us ready for Heaven...for our Heavenly Inheritance. Consiense is another subject all together. Trouble consiense and faith in Jesus Christ= Heaven. Life... Peace in consiense with the denial to believe in Jesus CHRIST= Hell. -Death.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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