Isaacsname Posted March 13, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) " For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled " Matthew 5:18 There are 15 commonly listed nomina sacra in Greek manuscripts written with a tittle ( titlo ) - God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, Heaven However, one is missing from the list, almost like it was purposefully overlooked / forgotten Why do you think it's not listed ? Edited March 13, 2019 by ἔκλειψις Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 13, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 238 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,776 Content Per Day: 3.24 Reputation: 4,725 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Online Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, ἔκλειψις said: " For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled " Matthew 5:18 There are 15 commonly listed nomina sacra in Greek manuscripts written with a tittle ( titlo ) - God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, Heaven However, one is missing from the list, almost like it was purposefully overlooked / forgotten Why do you think it's not listed ? For what its worth, your list excludes "God Bearer" i.e. Mother of God, perhaps because you are not RC., and Greek New Testament manuscripts do not contain it. List of Greek nomina sacra[edit] [sourced from Wkpd] English Meaning Greek Word Nominative (Subject) Genitive (Possessive) God Θεός ΘΣ ΘΥ Lord Κύριος ΚΣ ΚΥ Jesus Ἰησοῦς ΙΣ ΙΥ Christ/Messiah Χριστός ΧΣ ΧΥ Son Υἱός ΥΣ ΥΥ Spirit/Ghost Πνεῦμα ΠΝΑ ΠΝΣ David Δαυὶδ ΔΑΔ Cross/Stake Σταυρός ΣΤΣ ΣΤΥ Mother Μήτηρ ΜΗΡ ΜΗΣ God Bearer i.e. Mother of God Θεοτόκος ΘΚΣ ΘΚΥ Father Πατήρ ΠΗΡ ΠΡΣ Israel Ἰσραήλ ΙΗΛ Savior Σωτήρ ΣΗΡ ΣΡΣ Human being/Man Ἄνθρωπος ΑΝΟΣ ΑΝΟΥ Jerusalem Ἱερουσαλήμ ΙΛΗΜ Heaven/Heavens Οὐρανός ΟΥΝΟΣ ΟΥΝΟΥ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 13, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Interesting, so there's another one But there's still one missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 χξϛ That's the missing sacred name from the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,130 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,461 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, Isaacsname said: χξϛ That's the missing sacred name from the list Hi Isaacsname, Would that be the LAMB? Interesting topic by the way. Oh, I reread your title, (no pun intended) and maybe it is the Anti-Christ, who we know will be cast into the Lake of fire. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Isaacsname, Would that be the LAMB? Interesting topic by the way. Marilyn. It's the dreaded 666, actually ( and 616 ) I've always found it odd that a rather important notation for divinity in Greek manuscripts has basically been ignored after being purposefully written so long ago, especially considering Matthew 5:18 The fact it's written simply by affixing the letter stigma ( as a noun στίγμα meaning "a mark, dot, puncture", or generally "a sign" ) to the common Christogram ΧΣ ( The nomen sacrum of " Christ " , AKA the abbreviated form in Greek ) makes one wonder why the NT authors would feel the need to include 666 in the same category as: God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, and Heaven Scripture makes it clear about the beast and having power to rule, etc, but this is definitely not divine like Christ or Christ's rule, nobody would ever claim 666 is divine, but yet it's written that way, quite clearly I agree, it is interesting, notations for divinity in literature date all the back to about 2200 BC , with the Sumerian ideogram of a star being the cuneiform cognate to the Semitic " El ", first used as a determinant for divinity in literature by Naram-Sin, grandson of the founder of the Akkadian empire ( Who also standardized all measurements in Mesopotamia under a system that lasted for roughly 2,000 years, the source of all known units of measure in the Bible ) In fact Revelation's phrasing mentions this directly - the star in the pit, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,130 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,461 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, Isaacsname said: It's the dreaded 666, actually ( and 616 ) Hi Isaacsname, Wow, that is very interesting. Thank you for that. I would say that the 666 reveals the wicked one that the Lord prevailed over. Here are my thoughts on that. 666 = 600 + 60 + 6. 6 - sinful man. 60 = 6 X 10 - sinful man disobeying God`s law. 600 = 6 X 10 X 10 – sinful man controlled by the spirit of complete lawlessness. `the coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan with all power & signs & lying wonders.` (2 Thess. 2: 9) Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Through some study into priestly texts in Mesopotamia, I discovered that 666 and 144,000 were used prior to the Bible, by priest-kings, for astronomy calculations regarding eclipse cycles ( Mainly eclipses AKA " signs in the sky " ), definitely some interesting reading if you are willing to wade through sites from Yale, Oxford, etc Linguistic cognates are also interesting here, considering the definition of the Titlo - little horn Greek - keras - κέρας - (a) a horn, (b) a horn-like projection at the corner of an altar, (c) a horn as a symbol of power Hebrew - qeren - קֶרֶן - hill , horn , horns , might , rays, strength Akkadian: qarnu ( Early Old Babylonian, Old Babylonian, Middle Babylonian ) " horn; finger; fret " At that point in history ( Babylonian, Akkadian, Sumerian ) it's mainly a unit used by priest-kings to measure approximate degrees in astronomy using the fingers / hands ( A system still commonly used by modern astronomers ) Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 238 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,776 Content Per Day: 3.24 Reputation: 4,725 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Online Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, Isaacsname said: The fact it's written simply by affixing the letter stigma ( as a noun στίγμα meaning "a mark, dot, puncture", or generally "a sign" ) to the common Christogram ΧΣ ( The nomen sacrum of " Christ " , AKA the abbreviated form in Greek ) makes one wonder why the NT authors would feel the need to include 666 in the same category as: God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, and Heaven The Christogram ΧΣ is not part of the number 666 in Strongs, having xi where sigma (Σ) would need to be. Strongs G5516 χξς chi xi stigma khee xee stig'-ma The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six. Total KJV occurrences: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Michael37 said: The Christogram ΧΣ is not part of the number 666 in Strongs, having xi where sigma (Σ) would need to be. Strongs G5516 χξς chi xi stigma khee xee stig'-ma The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six. Total KJV occurrences: 1 Oh...OK Σ was often represented with a lunate sigma ( The epigraphic form ) looks like the letter C Jesus ( IΣ and IC ) Christ ( ΧΣ and ΧC ) Christ = ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ Christogram = ΧΣ ΧΣ + ϛ ( the ligature of sigma (Σ) and tau (Τ) ) = ΧΣϛ = 666 χξς = 666 ΧΣϛ = 666 χξς = ΧΣϛ = 666 I tend to use ΧΣϛ because that's the form in the oldest manuscripts containing 13:18, like P_47 thanks for your contribution to the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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