Shilohsfoal Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.48 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Thr Name Israel did not make the list? https://biblehub.com/exodus/4-22.htm After all,Israel present day king they have chosen for themsrlves has a star for his symbol. https://biblehub.com/niv/amos/5-26.htm Edited March 14, 2019 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemke Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 451 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/24/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2019 I'm ignorant as to how this is theologically fruitful? I mean this sincerely. Not wanting to cause debate but just asking for further understanding. What does all this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Da Puppers said: I don't know if this has anything to do with why some manuscripts use 616 instead of 666, but consider this. If the unknown Greek letter is represented by the number 2, then 22 times 14 times 2 = 616. Blessings The PuP 616 is written with a monogram and 666 is written with a Christogram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Thr Name Israel did not make the list? https://biblehub.com/exodus/4-22.htm After all,Israel present day king they have chosen for themsrlves has a star for his symbol. https://biblehub.com/niv/amos/5-26.htm Israel is, it's the 12th listed English - Israel Greek - Ἰσραήλ Nomen sacrum - ΙΗΛ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Zemke said: I'm ignorant as to how this is theologically fruitful? I mean this sincerely. Not wanting to cause debate but just asking for further understanding. What does all this mean? On any forum open to the whole world and to every different school there is, what all this means is not found in any of the different schools. Yahweh in His Word says if any man lacks wisdom, let him ask of Yahweh Who Gives To all men generously and without reproach.... And again: Yahweh REVEALS everything about SALVATION to little children.... and again: Jesus' Sheep HEAR HIS VOICE and FOLLOW HIM .... and will not listen to another nor will they/we/ follow another..... ---------- Every bit of TORAH is unchanged and unchanging and unchangeable - Yahweh'S WORD is TRUTH, FOREVER. No jot nor tittle will change .... thus if anyone or anything changes (tries to change His Word) , it is not Yahweh nor His Word, but someone/ something opposed to His Word..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Zemke said: I'm ignorant as to how this is theologically fruitful? I mean this sincerely. Not wanting to cause debate but just asking for further understanding. What does all this mean? Good questions I'd say that first and foremost it means that most modern exegetical explorations of the texts of Revelation have been simplified for convenience, simplified to the point that most folks don't even know what a nomen sacrum even is That methodology of hermeneutics in itself conveniently sweeps roughly 4,000 years of history and literary notations regarding divinity and divine rule, right off the table, which is doing nobody any favors. It has essentially reduced the Bible to having the simplicity of a Dr. Seuss book, for whatever reasons deemed sufficient, including the denial of volumes of ancient literature, tradition and history or their roles in the origins of the Bible ( Which I have found is far more complex and interesting than people have made it out to be ) Obviously NT authors and scribes felt it important enough to preserve in writing, much in the way that Jews preserved abnormal letters in Torah when they hand write a Sefer Torah Secondly, as I stated in a previous post, both 666 and 144,000 are used in the times prior to the Bible for astronomy calculations, mainly regarding eclipses, but to really delve into the topic, one must be educated in mathematics, math history, mathematical astronomy and metrology used by priest-kings in Mesopotamia ( As well as Egyptian Pharaohs ) dating back to the earliest Sumerian city-states and pre-cuneiform ideograms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.48 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Isaacsname said: Israel is, it's the 12th listed English - Israel Greek - Ἰσραήλ Nomen sacrum - ΙΗΛ Well then.Its only a matter of time till israels king marks his subjects. He will most likely use something similar to this. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/PositiveID-Corporation-pz-3900073790.html To be used for this. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24635/Default.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacsname Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 93 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said: Well then.Its only a matter of time till israels king marks his subjects. He will most likely use something similar to this. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/PositiveID-Corporation-pz-3900073790.html To be used for this. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24635/Default.aspx I personally don't buy into the twaddle about microchip implants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2019 Most of the population is lost anyway, even before the mark if it is implanted or tattooed , so the mark will not change their status , will it ? Anyone who is trusting the Father, Ekklesia , born again, set apart from the world/ society by Yahweh, won't take the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 14, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,900 Content Per Day: 3.26 Reputation: 4,831 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, simplejeff said: Most of the population is lost anyway, even before the mark if it is implanted or tattooed , so the mark will not change their status , will it ? Anyone who is trusting the Father, Ekklesia , born again, set apart from the world/ society by Yahweh, won't take the mark. And God's moral law will not change one jot or tittle for the duration of anyone's life on earth even though denominations and adherents of Christianity waver in this regard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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