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50 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Matthew 5:19 “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Which commandments? those of the Decalogue. They are incorporated into the Law/Torah of Moses, but there was a big difference. The Decalogue was provided by the mouth of God, whereas the ordinances of Moses were mediated by Moses between the people and God.

In the ensuing passage of Matthew 5, verses 21-30, Jesus affirmed and expanded the scope of two of the 10 Commandments. Then in the following verses 31-48, He annuled ordinances of the Torah of Moses.

 

Then you go on to repeat your original deceptive claims about Eph. 2:12, which simply does not say what you say it does. The whole intent of Galatians is to address and refute the claims of Judaizers like you.

"Which commandments? those of the Decalogue. "

WRONG!  The CONTEXT is the entire TORAH (Mt.5:17)...not merely the "Decalogue".

 

"The Decalogue was provided by the mouth of God, whereas the ordinances of Moses were mediated by Moses between the people and God."

And the DECALOGUE requires obedience to ALL THE REST OF TORAH!  Otherwise GOD is not your GOD (and, thus, you'd be in violation of the 1st of the 10 Commandments).

 

"In the ensuing passage of Matthew 5, verses 21-30, Jesus affirmed and expanded the scope of two of the 10 Commandments. "

No.  He merely expounded upon the SAME PROPER MEANING that a good systematic theology of OT data would contain.

 

"Then in the following verses 31-48, He annuled ordinances of the Torah of Moses."
He annuled NOTHING in Mt. 5:31-48....

The "but I say to you" expressions are simply ELABORATIONS of Torah truth....NOT an annulling of Torah.

 

After all, Jesus requires ALL Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20,48;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28)....not merely the Decalogue.

And this applies to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20).

 

"Then you go on to repeat your original deceptive claims about Eph. 2:12"

It's just Bible, buddy!

You are NOT excluded from Israel (Eph.2:12).  Israelites obey TORAH (Mal.4:4).  So obey!

You are NOT excluded from the covenants (plural!  Eph.2:12).  The Covenants are given as TORAH (e.g., Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).  So obey!

 

" The whole intent of Galatians is to address and refute the claims of Judaizers like you."

Judaizing is BAD.  Remember Peter's hypocrisy?

 

And why do you pretend Galatians opposes Torah?  Read and learn!

 

1. Galatians is written by Paul who requires ALL Torah (2Ti.3:16).

2. Galatians is written by Paul who requires ALL Torah (1Cor.7:19).

3. Galatians is written by Paul who condoned a vow to prove he obeys Torah (Ac. 21); YOU should imitate that model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9).

4. Galatians is written by Paul who affirms the New Covenant (1Cor.11) which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33).

5. Galatians is written by Paul who says we are justified by Torah (Rom.2:13) and faith (Rom.5:1) and by grace (Rom.3:24).

6. Galatians is written by Paul who affirms the legitimacy of Torah-obedient Gentiles (Rom.2:27).

7. Galatians is written by Paul who says STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34), which means OBEY TORAH (given Rom.3:20;7:7).

8. Galatians is written by Paul who believes (not opposes!) EVERYTHING in Torah (Ac.24:14).

9. Galatians is written by Paul who believes (not opposes!) EVERYTHING in the Prophets (Ac.24:14); the Prophets require TORAH (e.g., Jer.31:33).

10. Galatians is written by Paul who affirms the New Covenant (Rom.11:27 citing Is.59:20-21) consists of Torah obeyed "from now and forever".

11. Galatians is written by Paul who says Torah (Dt.30:14) IS the word of faith he preaches (citing Dt.30:14 at Rom.10:8).

12. Galatians is written by Paul who says even Gentiles are NOT excluded from Israel (Eph.2:12), and Israelites obey TORAH (Mal.4:4;Jer.31:33).

13. Galatians is written by Paul who says even Gentiles are NOT excluded form the covenants (Eph.2:12) which are given as Torah (e.g., Jer.31:33).

14. Galatians is written by Paul who says believing Gentiles are ISRAELITES (citing Hos.1 at Rom.9:24-26); Israelites obey TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10).

15. Galatians is written by Paul who says we should NOT SIN (Rom.6:15), which means OBEY TORAH (given Rom.3:20;7:7).

16. Galatians is written by Paul who says Torah is good (Rom.7:12). Be good! OBEY Torah.

17. Galatians is written by Paul who says Torah is holy (Rom.7:12). Be holy! OBEY Torah.

18. Galatians is written by Paul who says Torah is righteous (Rom.7:12). Be righteous! OBEY Torah.

19. Galatians is written by Paul who says Torah is spiritual (Rom.7:14). Be spiritual! OBEY Torah.

20. Galatians is written by Paul who says he CONTINUES to serve Torah (Rom.7:25).

21. Galatians is written by Paul who says Torah-disobedience is of the flesh (i.e., it's BAD! Rom.8:7).

22. Galatians is written by Paul who says we should mortify the flesh (Rom.8:13), which means STOP disobeying Torah (given Rom.8:7).

23. Galatians is written by Paul who tells us to abhor evil (Rom.12:9); Torah-disobedience is evil (2Ki.17:13). So OBEY Torah!

24. Galatians is written by Paul who affirms the Father (Gal.1:3) who commands Torah (Dt.1:3;5:27-33). So obey Torah!

25. Galatians is written by Paul who affirms Jesus (Gal.1:3); Jesus requires Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28). So obey Torah!

26. Galatians is written by Paul who affirms the Spirit (Gal.3:14); the Spirit testifies we obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21). So obey Torah!

27. Galatians is written by Paul who requires Psalms (Eph.5:19;Col.3:16), and the Psalms require Torah (Ps.1;19;119;etc.)

28. Galatians is written by Paul who is an apostle (Gal.1:1); apostles include Torah-teachers (Mt.23:34).

29. Galatians is written by Paul who makes disciples (Ac.14:21) in accordance with (Mt.28:19-20) which includes Jesus teachings (e.g., Mt.5:19-20;23:2-3,23;Lk.10:25-28).

30. Gal. 1:6 affirms grace. Grace extends to the humble (Jas.4:6). Humble people obey TORAH (Ex. 33:13;Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3).

31. Gal. 1:8 affirms Paul's gospel, which is of fatih (Gal.3:11). And faith, for Paul, entails TORAH (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

32. Gal. 2:3 opposes adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision....because Torah does NOT require it. (It's for INFANTS: Lev.12:3;Ge.17:12).

33. Gal. 2:4 affirms liberty in CHRIST (who requires Torah, Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28). Christ's liberty AFFIRMS (not opposes) Torah.

34. Gal. 2:9 affirms John who requires all Torah (1Jn.2:3;5:3).

35. Gal. 2:11-12: Peter was condemned for OPPOSING Torah (Torah does NOT require that he not eat with Gentiles).

36. Gal. 2:13: Peter was a hypocrite. Torah does NOT require hypocrisy. Thus, Peter was wrong for OPPOSING Torah.

37. Gal. 2:14 affirms Paul's gospel, which is TORAH-OBEDIENT FAITH IN JESUS (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

38. Gal. 2:15 speaks lowly of "sinners", because sin is bad! Sin is violation of Torah (Rom.3:20;7:7). So, Torah-disobedience is bad. So be good and OBEY Torah!

39. Gal. 2:16: Of COURSE we are not justified by law without faith. Agreed! We are justified by law (Rom.2:13) and faith (Rom.5:1) TOGETHER.

40. Gal. 2:19: We are DEAD to the law (of sin and death, given Rom.8:2). But we obey the Torah of obedience (2Ti.3:16) and life (Jn.6:63). And SPIRIT leads us to OBEY Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21).

41. Gal.2 :20 affirms faith in JESUS (who requires TORAH, Mt. 4:4;5:19-20;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

42. Gal. 2:21 affirms GRACE (which is given to the HUMBLE, Jas.4:6). Humble people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3).

43. Gal. 2:21 Of COURSE righteousness does not come through law without Christ. Thus Paul requires law (Rom.2:13) AND faith (Rom.5:1) for justification.

44. Gal. 3:2,5 Of COURSE we do not receive the Spirit by works without faith. Paul requires works (Eph.2:10) AND faith (Eph.2:8-9) TOGETHER.

45. Gal. 3:3 Paul OPPOSES the flesh, because the flesh DISOBEYS Torah (Rom.8:7).

46. Gal.3:6 Paul AFFIRMS Abraham, who ALSO OBEYED GOD'S COMMANDS AND LAWS (Ge.26:5). Thus, we should too.

47. Gal. 3:7 Paul affirms FAITH. Faith is of TORAH (Mt.23:23).

48. Gal. 3:8 Paul affirms FAITH. Faith is of TORAH (Ps.119:30).

49. Gal. 3:9 Paul affirms FAITH. Faith is of TORAH (Ps.119:86).

50. Gal. 3:10-11 Of COURSE we are cursed if we obey without faith. After all, Torah requires FAITH! (Dt.32:20).

51. Gal. 3:12 Of COURSE anybody who plays the "let's obey Torah without faith" game will lose! Because Dt. 6:25 without faith is a contradiction. Dt. 6:25 REQUIRES faith (given Dt. 32:20).

52. Gal. 3:13 We are redeemed form the CURSE of Torah (not from the Torah itself!)

53. Gal. 3:14 affirms the SPIRIT (who testifies we OBEY Torah, Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21).

54. Gal. 3:18 Of COURSE inheritance is not based on law without faith in the promise.

55. Gal. 3:19,25 Of COURSE the tutor function of Christ is no longer in force. But that's NOT the only function of Torah! Thus Paul still requires it (2Ti.3:16). Jesus too (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20).

56. Gal.3:21 TORAH and God's promises are NOT inconsistent. So accept BOTH! (STOP trying to get the promises without God's laws...)

57. Gal. 3:21-22 Of COURSE life and righteousness are not by law without faith in Jesus. Paul requires BOTH law AND faith (Rom.2:13+Rom.5:1) for justification.

58. Gal. 3:24 The Torah leads us to Christ. And Christ points us straight back to Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28) for ALL (Mt.28:19-20).

59. Gal. 3:26 affirms FAITH in JESUS. Jesus says FAITH is of TORAH (Mt.23:23).

60. Gal. 3:27 affirms Jesus. Jesus requires TORAH (Mt. 5:19).

61. Gal. 3:29 affirms we share in Abraham's land-inheritance....which will occur when we again obey 100% of ALL Torah (Dt.30:1-8).

62. Gal. 4:6 affirms the Father who requires Torah (Dt.1:3;5:27-33;etc.)

63. Gal.4:7 affirms God who requires Torah (Dt.1:3;5:27-33;etc.)

64. Gal. 4:9-10 condemns observation of pagan seasons, months, days, and years. (Paul REQUIRES Torah feast, though....e.g., 1Cor.5:7-8).

65. Gal. 4:21 condemns being under the law. Under the law means WITHOUT FAITH (given Gal.3:23). Paul requires faith (Rom.5:1) AND law (Rom.2:13) TOGETHER.

66. Gal. 4:31 We are of the New Covenant, not Hagar (the Old Covenant, Gal.4:24). Paul requires the NEW Covenant (1Cor.11), which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10).

67. Gal. 5:1 affirms freedom in Christ. So, Christ (who requires all Torah, Mt.5:19) gives us freedom to obey all Torah.

68. Gal. 5:1 opposes slavery (which is observance of pagan rituals, Gal.4:8-10).

69. Gal.5:2 opposes adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision (because Torah does not require it...and because it would deny the proper role of faith in Christ).

70. Gal. 5:3 If you want to play the "obey all Torah without faith in Christ" game, then you must obey ALL Torah flawlessly, which nobody does (Rom.3:23). Bad game!

71. Gal. 5:4 We are not justified by law without Christ. Rather, we are justified by law (Rom.2:13)+faith (Rom.5:1) TOGETHER.

72. Gal. 5:5 affirms the Spirit who testifies we obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21) "from now and forever".

73. Gal. 5:6 affirms that adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision (or uncircumcision) is irrelevant. After all, Pro-Torah Paul knows that Torah does not require it!

74. Gal. 5:7 affirms we should obey truth. TORAH is truth (Ps.119:142).

75. Gal. 5:11 Paul OPPOSES faithless works of circumcision to attain God's favor or blessing in Christ.

76. Gal. 5:13 requires that we SERVE. And Paul models that we should serve TORAH (Rom.7:25).

77. Gal. 5:14 Love fulfills (not replaces!) Torah. After all, Lev. 19:18, in context, requires that we REBUKE sinners (Lev.19:17). So Paul says Torah should REBUKE and CORRECT and TRAIN your behavior (2Ti.3:16).

78. Gal. 5:16 affirms the Spirit who testifies we obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21).

79. Gal. 5:16 OPPOSES the flesh. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). So OBEY Torah!

80. Gal. 5:17 requires the SPIRIT against the FLESH. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). The Spirit helps us to STOP DISOBEYING IN THE FLESH (Rom.8:13).

81. Gal. 5:18 affirms the Spirit (who testifies we obey Torah Heb. 10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21).

82. Gal. 5:18 says we are not under the law. "Under the law" refers to being "without faith", given Gal. 3:23. Thus, Paul requires Torah(Rom.2:13) AND faith (Rom.5:1), TOGETHER.

83. Gal. 5:19 confirms the flesh is bad. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). We should NOT be in the flesh (Rom.8:13). So we should OBEY Torah!

84. Gal. 5:22 affirms LOVE. Love requires TORAH (1Jn.5:3;Dt.6:5,25).

85. Gal. 5:22 affirms PEACE. We have great PEACE if we obey TORAH (Ps.119:165).

86. Gal. 5:22 affirms FAITH. Faith is of Torah (Mt.23:23;Ps.119:30,86,138;Dt.32:20).

87. Gal. 5:24 affirms Christ (who requires all Torah, Mt.5:19).

88. Gal. 5:24 opposes the flesh (which disobeys Torah, Rom.8:7). So STOP disobeying Torah! Obey!

89. Gal. 5:25 affirms the Spirit who testifies we obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21).

90. Gal. 6:1 affirms it is good to be spiritual. Torah is spiritual (Rom.7:14). So be spiritual and obey Torah!

91. Gal. 6:2 affirms the law of Christ (which includes Torah, Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

92. Gal. 6:8 opposes the flesh. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). So OBEY Torah! Don't be in the flesh!

93. Gal. 6:8 affirms the Spirit. The Spirit mortifies the deeds of the flesh. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). So the Spirit leads us to NOT DISOBEY. So OBEY TORAH!

94. Gal. 6:8 affirms eternal life. Jesus confirms Torah-obedience is sufficient for eternal life (Lk.10:25-28). So obey!

95. Gal. 6:9 affirms we should do good. Torah is good(Rom.7:12). So do good in obedience to Torah!

96. Gal. 6:10 affirms we should do good. Torah is good (Rom.7:12). So do good in obedience to Torah!

97. Gal. 6:12 confirms that the circumcision pushed by Christ's opponents was NOT consistent with Christ (who requires all Torah, Mt.5:19).

98. Gal. 6:13 confirms that those requiring adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision are anti-Torah (because Torah does not require it...and because Torah requires FAITH, Dt.32:20, not circumcision without faith).

99. Gal. 6:14 We boast in the cross of Christ, whose blood inaugurates the New Covenant (Lk.22:20) which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

100. Gal. 6:15 Gentiles may get circumcised or not....it doesn't matter...;.because Torah does not require it....

101. Gal. 6:16 affirms peace. Those who obey Torah have peace (Ps.119:165).

101. Gal. 6:16 affirms mercy. Mercy extends to those who OBEY Torah (Ex. 20:6).

102. Gal. 6:18 affirms grace. Grace is given to the humble (Jas.4:6). Humble people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Ex.33:13;Zep.2:3).

103. Gal. 6:18 affirms Christ (who requires Torah, Mt. 4:4;5:19-20,48;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

 

Wowzers! Thanks for giving us 103 BIBLICAL reasons to obey Torah!

These are encouraging words.

 

blessings...

 

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5 hours ago, BibleGuy said:
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"The Law is for sinners"

TORAH is for ISRAEL (Mal.4:4) and YOU are not excluded from ISRAEL (Eph.2:12).  So OBEY TORAH!

 

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine

"It was a misunderstanding of scripture. "

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Then UNDERSTAND that all Scripture (thus including Torah) applies to YOU (2Ti.3:16).

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

"saints are free from the Law. "

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Saints are REQUIRED to obey the Law (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (given Mt.28:19-20).

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

"If a saint backslides, they backslide into the Law. "

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The BACKSLIDER is NOT GOOD (Pr.14:14).

Torah is good (Rom.7:12).

 

 

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

Thus backsliders do NOT OBEY THE LAW.

 

"Dont backslide"

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Agreed!  OBEY TORAH!

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Obey the gospel.

The O.T. was your schoolmaster to bring you to Christ.

Time to graduate from the Law.

5 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

 

 

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15 hours ago, BibleGuy said:
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"The Law is for sinners"

TORAH is for ISRAEL (Mal.4:4) and YOU are not excluded from ISRAEL (Eph.2:12).  So OBEY TORAH!

 

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine

"It was a misunderstanding of scripture. "

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Then UNDERSTAND that all Scripture (thus including Torah) applies to YOU (2Ti.3:16).

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

"saints are free from the Law. "

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Saints are REQUIRED to obey the Law (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (given Mt.28:19-20).

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

"If a saint backslides, they backslide into the Law. "

Quote

 

The BACKSLIDER is NOT GOOD (Pr.14:14).

Torah is good (Rom.7:12).

 

 

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

Thus backsliders do NOT OBEY THE LAW.

 

"Dont backslide"

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Agreed!  OBEY TORAH!

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Obey the gospel.

The O.T. was your schoolmaster to bring you to Christ.

Time to graduate from the Law.

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MY RESPONSE:

 

Of COURSE prohibitive laws are not for a righteous man (1Ti.1:9)!  Because a righteous man is ALREADY OBEYING TORAH! (Dt.6:25;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20)   So be righteous and OBEY!

After all, that SAME PAUL requires ALL TORAH (2Ti.3:16).  So OBEY!

That SAME PAUL condones a vow to prove he "walks orderly according to the law" (Ac.21); so IMITATE Paul's Torah-obedient model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9).

Paul affirms the New Covenant includes Torah being obeyed "from now and forever" (citing Is.59:20-21 at Rom.11:26-27).

Paul says we are justified by law (Rom.2:13).

Paul upholds the New Covenant (1Cor.11) which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33).

Paul says you are saved IF YOU HOLD FAST TO THE WORD HE PREACHES (1Cor.15:1-4) which is FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

So OBEY!

 

The OLD COVENANT (2Cor.3:14;Heb.8:13) fades away...NOT TORAH!

The SAME TORAH OF MOSES passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33), or else Jeremiah is a false prophet (Dt.13:1-5).

NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8).

SAME TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

So OBEY!

 

Saints are not free from law....they are free to OBEY ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) as required for ALL disciples of ALL nations (given Mt.28:19-20).

Disciples CONTINUE in Jesus' words (Jn.8:31) which include ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19).

So OBEY!

 

James 2:10?  Good point!  So OBEY!  Otherwise you're guilty of disobeying it all!

 

We are delivered from WHAT LAW (Rom.7:6)?  We are delivered from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH (Rom.8:2)....NOT from the law of OBEDIENCE (2Ti.3:16;1Jn.5:3;Jn.14:15 + Mt.5:19) and LIFE (Mt.4:4;Dt.8:3;30:15-19;32:47).

After all, Paul APPLIES Dt. 30 to you (Rom.10:8).

So OBEY!

 

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life!

So do NOT obey Torah without the Spirit...but obey Torah IN THE SPIRIT!

We serve in the Spirit (Rom.7:6).  Serve what?  TORAH! (Rom.7:25)......NOT in the oldness of the letter without the Spirit....

So OBEY Torah in the SPIRIT!

After all, the Spirit testifies that you obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21), even ALL Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27).

Jesus' words are SPIRIT (Jn.6:63) and they include Mt.5:19.

So OBEY Mt.5:19 (Torah) in the Spirit!


Obey the GOSPEL by which you are saved, IF YOU HOLD FAST TO THE WORD PAUL PREACHES (1Cor.15:1-4), which is FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).


So OBEY!

 

"The O.T. was your schoolmaster to bring you to Christ."

That's NOT the only purpose of Torah!

Torah passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10), so OBEY!

Torah is GOOD (Rom.7:12); do good! (Gal.6:10).  So OBEY!

Torah is holy (Rom.7:12).  Be holy (1Pe.1:16).  So OBEY!

Torah is righteous (Rom.7:12). DO righteousness (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20).  SO OBEY!

Torah is spiritual (Rom.7:14).  SEEK and PURUSE the spiritual (1Cor.14:1).  So OBEY!

Torah defines SIN (Rom.3:20;7:7).  STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) thus means OBEY TORAH!

The fruit of the Spirit is LOVE (Gal.5:22-23) which requires TORAH (Dt.6:5,25;1Jn.5:3;Jn.14:15 + Mt.5:19), so OBEY!

The fruit of the Spirit is JOY (Gal.5:22-23) which is in Torah (Ps.119:162), so obey!

The fruit of the Spirit is PEACE (Gal.5:22-23) which is in Torah (Ps.119:165), so OBEY!

The fruit of the Spirit is GOODNESS (Gal.5:22-23) which is TORAH (Rom.7:12), so OBEY!

The fruit of the Spirit is FAITHFULNESS (Gal.5:22-23) which is TORAH (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138), so OBEY!

 

"Time to Graduate from the law"

OOPS!  That's not Bible!

Look at the SCARY things that can happen to YOU if you oppose Torah:

Mt.5:19

Mt.5:20

Mt. 7:21-23

Mt. 13:41-42

Why would you want that?  That's crazy!

 

SO OBEY!

 

blessings...

 

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”" It seems some are only talking about the OT.. Torah not the NT. And no the Torah is not both. Torah, Nevi’im , and Ketuvim. I guess its who you talk to or want to quote or how you were raised.

"SO OBEY!"  yeah.. the all caps and ! at the end.. just bring it home :D I think posting where that is written would help even more.

I've looked at some verses posted and.. can't find the "statement" made after SOME of them. More then a few sorry. And was not Christ in MT talking to Jewish people? ALL those people.. who was saved as in Christian and no Church. Well they would never have understood. As I read I see or read Jewish people asked about the end so He told them what they would see. Man I am always praying Father if I have any part of this wrong forgive me and change me. For He alone is right. And if I read His word correct. I have no right to tell anyone what a GOD really said or didn't say. I really believe He can do that better than me.

And thats it huh. Well Jesus told us.. As He prayed to the Father for the Holy Spirit that fell on the 120. He did what the Father said through Him. How much more will your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask. So that Holy Spirit leads guides us into all Truth. So.. I have what the OT people didnt have. His laws written on my heart. I don't need anyone to tell me I should not steal or do harm or take from anyone..on and on. Scary? I have no fear of my Father. I come boldly before Him. For there is no fear in God He has not given us the spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. This is one way we know what is of God. Fear worry doubt...the enemy plays with that. For all good things not some bad some good but ALL good things come for God.

If YOU believe you need to keep ALL the law.. or  part like some Jews do now.. praise GOD! Jesus is real.. REAL! More real then anyone you know. We get up.. He right there. Through out the day..Hes right there. Sleep Hes right there.. How would you feel being around someone day in day out.. and they never talk to you. But we sure expect Him to keep His word. And truth is.. HE will! He alone is faithful.. WE are not

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On 12/19/2019 at 3:32 PM, BibleGuy said:

1. Galatians is written by Paul who requires ALL Torah (2Ti.3:16).

2. Galatians is written by Paul who requires ALL Torah (1Cor.7:19).

1 Cor.  7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3. Galatians is written by Paul who condoned a vow to prove he obeys Torah (Ac. 21); YOU should imitate that model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9).

Etc. Etc. Etc.

If these things are what you read into these verses, that is your choice. I prefer exegesis over eisegesis. Bye.

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I would like those who are posting here to understand, that many who become involved in the Hebrew Roots movement end up falling away from Jesus and convert to Judaism.  Jesus said that He would deny any who deny Him and we must remain in the faith to receive the outcome of our faith, the salvation of our souls. This movement is being used by Judiazers and it is also heavily infiltrated by them and others who are involved in the move to establish the one world government. 

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3 hours ago, Biblican said:

many who become involved in the Hebrew Roots movement end up falling away from Jesus and convert to Judaism. 

Spurious. No evidence to back up this claim. I have not met one person in Hebrew Roots who done this or heard of this happening. 

3 hours ago, Biblican said:

This movement is being used by Judiazers and it is also heavily infiltrated by them and others who are involved in the move to establish the one world government. 

Nonsense. All conjecture and not even worth addressing. For me this goes beyond my reasonable grounds of debate. 

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I have been ministering to one of the victims of this move to convert Christians to Judaism on another forum. I'm not allowed to post links to videos here, but there is one video by a former Hebrew Roots member who posted some documentation, it would behoove you to take a look at it. It's on Youtube. It's called -

" Hebrew Roots: many eventually deny Jesus" and its by Geneva Pilgrim.

The real Hebrew Roots of Christianity are the foreshadows and typology that God built into His word that that verify Jesus. If you go back and read the book of Acts you will see what the apostle's emphasis was. The Hebrew roots movement claims to want to return to first century Christianity and I am a proponent of that myself, but the first century Christians did not emphasize what the Hebrew roots movement emphasizes, quite the opposite.

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On 1/27/2020 at 8:55 AM, Biblican said:

I have been ministering to one of the victims of this move to convert Christians to Judaism on another forum. I'm not allowed to post links to videos here, but there is one video by a former Hebrew Roots member who posted some documentation, it would behoove you to take a look at it. It's on Youtube. It's called -

" Hebrew Roots: many eventually deny Jesus" and its by Geneva Pilgrim.

This was a great video, I Highly recommend watching it. 

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