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7 hours ago, OldCoot said:

Well the major difference that separates the RCC with Protestants is salvation thru Yeshua by faith alone. Sola Fide.   While individual people who claim to be Catholic might subscribe to that idea, the RCC hierarchy does not.  All the other ritual and pomp causes side issue arguments .  Either the RCC is required for salvation or it is as Paul and Habakkuk state, "the just shall live by faith".  Justification is the central issue.  If the RCC denies Sola Fide, which the RCC does, then it has no fellowship with the Body of Yeshua.     All the saints and Mary stuff has its problems also, but the central focus is justification unto the Lord.   

Until we all get on the same sheet of music in terms of Justification, there can really be no bridge building except on a social level. 

 

Certainly the RCC and their doctrine is one of them, and it has the right to judge their members according to their code...

The same can be said for any other religious organisations....

And any other group of people who have a code in place to identify them selfs and their membership and to distinguish their denominations from others...

And there Jesus CHRIST who is above all, the Judge of all the author of our faith, who cannot denied anyone who has not denied him. 

Who knows every step and every sidestep of any believer , but he also knows that many have been denied from the right to know that they are under the blood of the Lamb of God BY FAITH ALONE, and that because of their faith they are under the banner of Jesus Christ and his Heavenly Inheritance...

So, What if they try to earn something they already have,

Is Jesus CHRIST who Justifies and gives the eternal Life...

Who can take anyone out of the their Heavenly Inheritance?

Not even their ignorance, no one can deprive them from something the High Judge has given them, because they do not know it... 

"And they overcame by the blood of the Lamb and their testimony". 

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17 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven

Yes.  Being Doers (justified),  not just Hearers (who are not justified).

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1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

So, What if they try to earn something they already have,

Is Jesus CHRIST who Justifies and gives the eternal Life...

Who can take anyone out of the their Heavenly Inheritance?

 

That assumption is true if indeed they have been justified.  But therein lies the problem.  Many in the RCC, EOC, and some other large denominations never really hear and understand the simple Gospel.  Humans by nature feel they need to contribute to their justification, though that flies counter to the simple gospel.  So then it can lead to a different gospel and  Messiah that they are trusting in.  A Gospel of works righteousness centered around liturgy and tradition.  There are some truly great people who are Catholic.  One can be very sincere, but at the same time be sincerely wrong.  And if one is in the ROC and they hold to a Sola Fide position, they are counter to the ROC and Vatican II pronounced several anathemas at those who hold to Sola Fide. Without continual observance of the Eucharist, there is no salvation.  And if one does not hold to the doctrine of transubstantiation regarding the Eucharist, then it has no effect on salvation and one risks damning themselves.  Therefore, Sola Fide is a moot concept. 

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Those that add to the Gospel with their works ,something the Catholics have turned into an art, have perverted the Gospel and are severed from Christ.It is possible to have “ a zeal for God, yet not according to knowledge” The Catholics are not that much different from the Jews of Paul’s day or any other modern- day Judaizer who refuse to believe the simplicity of the Gospel thAt gives ALL the credit to Jesus.Centuries Of bad teaching and dust- covered Bibles helped get us to this point.The blind still lead the blind.

 

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6 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Those that add to the Gospel with their works ,something the Catholics have turned into an art, have perverted the Gospel and are severed from Christ.It is possible to have “ a zeal for God, yet not according to knowledge” The Catholics are not that much different from the Jews of Paul’s day or any other modern- day Judaizer who refuse to believe the simplicity of the Gospel thAt gives ALL the credit to Jesus.Centuries Of bad teaching and dust- covered Bibles helped get us to this point.The blind still lead the blind.

 

That is exactly what INCLUSVISM SELLS .    It says hindus , budditst ,  whatever , if they supposedly love God and neighbor THEY ARE SAVED without EVEN KNOWING JESUS.

WHAT A PHARISUTICAL LIE from hell.     Heck , I don't even know if that is a word ,  BUT IT IS TODAY .  Pharisutical .     BLOOD BROUGHT .    You need

to go to the name site and help me warn .   

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1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

That is exactly what INCLUSVISM SELLS .    It says hindus , budditst ,  whatever , if they supposedly love God and neighbor THEY ARE SAVED without EVEN KNOWING JESUS.

WHAT A PHARISUTICAL LIE from hell.     Heck , I don't even know if that is a word ,  BUT IT IS TODAY .  Pharisutical .     BLOOD BROUGHT .    You need

to go to the name site and help me warn .   

 

Name site?   Not sure what you mean.....could you be more specific ? Thanks.

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3 hours ago, OldCoot said:

That assumption is true if indeed they have been justified.  But therein lies the problem.  Many in the RCC, EOC, and some other large denominations never really hear and understand the simple Gospel.  Humans by nature feel they need to contribute to their justification, though that flies counter to the simple gospel.  So then it can lead to a different gospel and  Messiah that they are trusting in.  A Gospel of works righteousness centered around liturgy and tradition.  There are some truly great people who are Catholic.  One can be very sincere, but at the same time be sincerely wrong.  And if one is in the ROC and they hold to a Sola Fide position, they are counter to the ROC and Vatican II pronounced several anathemas at those who hold to Sola Fide. Without continual observance of the Eucharist, there is no salvation.  And if one does not hold to the doctrine of transubstantiation regarding the Eucharist, then it has no effect on salvation and one risks damning themselves.  Therefore, Sola Fide is a moot concept. 

Amongs other things we read in the bible we see that they were a lot of groups with s lot of differences amongs them and some very serious ones, as the church of the Corinthians. 

We need to ask ourselfs that if Paul did not say; some of you quarell , I believe in the Gospel according to brother Apollo's interpretation. 

And there were many others, and we had the sircumsision group, and so many other new teachers with their pastors and churches they were added continuously...

Paul was upset to see fundamental diferences amongs those groups and he said ; that there is something in common they all preach Jesus Crusified...and people are saved...

This is the most important that Jesus knows who believes in him crusified for the forgiveness for our sins.  and raised from the dead and he is in Heaven. 

Jesus can see everything and that includes the faith in him in people...

His redeemed, even thought they may not understand the importance of the redemtion. 

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7 hours ago, simplejeff said:

Yes.  Being Doers (justified),  not just Hearers (who are not justified).

FOR we are made HIS WORKMAN SHIP , IN CHRIST , created unto good works .  

For Christ himself did say , WHY do you call ME LORD LORD , yet do NOT the Things which  I command

How will we work the works of GOD .   BELIEVE In CHRIST whom HE did send .     If  from the heart we believe we will confess him both in mouth and good works .

Obediance unto HE who we truly believe in .   But let no man deceive himself .  If we hear those sayings , if we hear , yet we do not , THEN HOW is the SPIRIT really in us , really

at work in us .  FOR by the SPIRIT shall all things He has said BE ON OUR HEARTS to live by the SPIRIT .

We are justified BY the blood of CHRIST ,  the evidence we are is by our works , it shows who we obey , HIM .

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3 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Name site?   Not sure what you mean.....could you be more specific ? Thanks.

You already found it .   

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