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16 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

The only way to be righteous in God’s eyes is to believe the Gospel.”

Acting Righteous will do no harm. 

So, it seems that you don't believe the passage I referred to ...

“Little children, let no one deceive you.

He who practices righteousness is righteous,

just as He is righteous … In this the children of God

and the children of the devil are manifest:

Whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God,

NOR is he who does NOT love his brothers/sisters.” (1 John 3:7-10)

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9 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

So, it seems that you don't believe the passage I referred to ...

“Little children, let no one deceive you.

He who practices righteousness is righteous,

just as He is righteous … In this the children of God

and the children of the devil are manifest:

Whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God,

NOR is he who does NOT love his brothers/sisters.” (1 John 3:7-10)

 

The practice of righteousness is to walk in the light. The practice of righteousness is to love as Christ has loved us – with acceptance and forgiveness and grace despite our sin and shortcomings. The practice of righteousness is to confess our sinfulness, to admit our need for cleansing, to admit that after all we don’t love well. The practice of righteousness is to confess, to go to the throne of grace, to allow God to apply the blood to today’s need. It is to be done without pretense and hiding and posing, coming clean with God and others. Our practice of righteousness from John’s perspective is to be all wrapped up in Christ and His propitiation, and if our idea of the practice of righteousness is divorced from this we actually advocate for the Christless position of the antichrist. Abiding in Him means to walk in the light with Him, and to depend on Him to cleanse us of all unrighteousness, and is not to be done with the pretense of our own strength to do so.

If by “ acting righteousness” we mean going around showing everybody how “ good we are”, I think there is a danger of becoming self- righteous and hypocritical.If the Bible says “ those who act righteous are righteous”, as it surely does,there must be a proper understanding of the verse.I am sure we are not meant to be phonies- doing things when are hearts are not in it to try to impress others .If there is one thing the unsaved world excels in, It is identifying phoniness.I agree to act righteous but not to the point of trying to be “holier than Thou”

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On 3/26/2019 at 12:54 AM, Jostler said:

I'm sorry to see this has just descended into another "Once saved always saved" vs.  "you  can lose it" debate.  The keys to  moving past this mindless, Godless bickering are in this thread.  I pray He has opened some eyes  to it, and will open more.  But going through all the old tired doctrine and defending "positions" isn't going to bear any  good fruit this time, any more than it did the last ten thousand times His people engaged it.

 

I have come to enjoy reading your posts.  But, I am sorry to see this post.  i am sorry to see the truth being perverted for a false gospel.  i am sorry to see people saying our lifestyle doesnt matter.  where does Jesus say this?  and Paul?  Paul preached repentance unto salvation acts 20:21.  the end of osas is hypergrace.  not biblical grace.  I find your words in this post i have quoted you in to also be saddening.  what is truth?  did Jesus say go and sin no more or change your mind?  once you see it for what it is you know its not "osas vs. you can loose it debate"  its perversion vs truth.  if the truth does not edify there is something majorly wrong.  maybe thats why... because people believe our lifestyle dont matter... could it be why... we have over 50 percent of mariages failing in the church, why our missionaries are rejected in africa being told where did you get this... its not in the bible... why we have so many false teachings.... why church attendance has been declining in america since 9/11 but the church does grow in other places in the world?  that we have alarmingly high statistics of pastors of churches who struggle with sin, even porn addiction, and their wives tell tales like he isnt the man i married, his sermons are not anointed like they used to be, and then she walks in on him one day looking at porn?  could it be that our lifestyles do matter but since so many think they dont we do not have the fullness of God blessing in the church like it used to be?  could it be there is nothing new under the sun and gods people have abandoned Him?  traded Him for idols and provoked Him to jelousy? 

if all you think this is is a debate... what is truth?  whats its value? should we ignore a multitude of scripture to carry on with a twisted gospel?  its not about positions... its about someone even one someone out there being able to see the truth, and pursue it and not be led astray by a false teaching that could lead them to disaster due to their foundation being built upon shifting sand and believing something that can lead them to believe... its ok osas.  right?  I mean surely God will aquit the wicked.  God wont tell me to depart and call me a worker of iniquity because i sin.. because i am once saved always saved.  no.  the book says be not deceived.   The book even tells us in galatians 5 to walk in the spirit... look up the word walk in verse 25... that walk isnt the same walk as in verse 16... in 16 it means liberty walk about freely... in verse 25 it means march orderly... our lifestyle dont matter?  does it?  The Book says it does.  commands us to march orderly. 

I make no apology for telling the truth.  and here it is... our anointing comes from our obedience.  sin kills the heart.  sin makes it to where we are not available for God to use us... and we even have people saying on here the gifts are of the flesh.  

this makes me very sad.  there is so much false teaching in the churches today.  and the people love it.  it makes me weep how so many wont turn to Him in truth.  even to the point i cant speak sometimes.  eternal life is very much about how we live.  about our lifestyle.  does The Book say in vain HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD?  and so then why does this gospel that is so widely accepted pervert this? 

what is truth? 

do you not realize the book says if someone preaches another gospel... let him be accursed?  this is super serious.  not a mere "debate." 

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If it is true that “ the proof is in the pudding”,check out these responses to a hurting sister in another thread.The first is judgemental and guilt peddling- typical of a legalistic Non- OSAS Believer.The second response is compassionate and helpful— typical of the Grace Believer, one of those“ degenerate” sin lovers— the damnable OSAS Believer.Decide for yourself which side sounds like the approach our Savior used when dealing with those in need of compassion and/or forgiveness.Then follow your heart.

 

If you give up its because you didnt pursue God.   If you are not hearing from Him its because you are not pursuing Him or you have some sin, some idol.  repent and confess it to Him and ask him to cleanse you of all unrighteousness

 

Use your faith to get the victory in this time of trial and testing.Faith is acting on a promise of God.Here is a great promise of God to hang on to— “ blessed men GO THROUGH valleys of weeping”.God WILL get you through this.Hang on to the Promise of God—- even if it’s just a fingernail grip.You are in my prayers .God bless.

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10 hours ago, Cletus said:

I have come to enjoy reading your posts.  But, I am sorry to see this post.  i am sorry to see the truth being perverted for a false gospel.  i am sorry to see people saying our lifestyle doesnt matter.  where does Jesus say this?  and Paul?  Paul preached repentance unto salvation acts 20:21.  the end of osas is hypergrace.  not biblical grace.  I find your words in this post i have quoted you in to also be saddening.  what is truth?  did Jesus say go and sin no more or change your mind?  once you see it for what it is you know its not "osas vs. you can loose it debate"  its perversion vs truth.  if the truth does not edify there is something majorly wrong.  maybe thats why... because people believe our lifestyle dont matter... could it be why... we have over 50 percent of mariages failing in the church, why our missionaries are rejected in africa being told where did you get this... its not in the bible... why we have so many false teachings.... why church attendance has been declining in america since 9/11 but the church does grow in other places in the world?  that we have alarmingly high statistics of pastors of churches who struggle with sin, even porn addiction, and their wives tell tales like he isnt the man i married, his sermons are not anointed like they used to be, and then she walks in on him one day looking at porn?  could it be that our lifestyles do matter but since so many think they dont we do not have the fullness of God blessing in the church like it used to be?  could it be there is nothing new under the sun and gods people have abandoned Him?  traded Him for idols and provoked Him to jelousy? 

if all you think this is is a debate... what is truth?  whats its value? should we ignore a multitude of scripture to carry on with a twisted gospel?  its not about positions... its about someone even one someone out there being able to see the truth, and pursue it and not be led astray by a false teaching that could lead them to disaster due to their foundation being built upon shifting sand and believing something that can lead them to believe... its ok osas.  right?  I mean surely God will aquit the wicked.  God wont tell me to depart and call me a worker of iniquity because i sin.. because i am once saved always saved.  no.  the book says be not deceived.   The book even tells us in galatians 5 to walk in the spirit... look up the word walk in verse 25... that walk isnt the same walk as in verse 16... in 16 it means liberty walk about freely... in verse 25 it means march orderly... our lifestyle dont matter?  does it?  The Book says it does.  commands us to march orderly. 

I make no apology for telling the truth.  and here it is... our anointing comes from our obedience.  sin kills the heart.  sin makes it to where we are not available for God to use us... and we even have people saying on here the gifts are of the flesh.  

this makes me very sad.  there is so much false teaching in the churches today.  and the people love it.  it makes me weep how so many wont turn to Him in truth.  even to the point i cant speak sometimes.  eternal life is very much about how we live.  about our lifestyle.  does The Book say in vain HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD?  and so then why does this gospel that is so widely accepted pervert this? 

what is truth? 

do you not realize the book says if someone preaches another gospel... let him be accursed?  this is super serious.  not a mere "debate." 

What makes me sad is the understanding that it isn't either/or.  It is both.  And there is a way of understanding that clearly.  The arguments proceeding from both of the extreme ends of the spectrum are useless and divisive.  The truth is not.  The truth of salvation is seamlessly coherent and not in disagreement  with  itself. 

But it does take some study  and revelation to see that there is no contradiction between the two extremes.  They are seamlessly  one truth if you understand the  spirit/soul/body  key and eternal  judgement....exactly  how He deals with each of those three distinctive portions  of our  total being. 

It's the arguments that grieve me, the depth of understanding arguing hides.  And the liberty and freedom understanding the truth  provides.   So much in the  life of the believer (and understanding of what is now AT THE  DOOR) depends on understanding the whole truth, as He means us to.

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On 3/28/2019 at 8:55 PM, Cletus said:

 ... there is so much false teaching in the churches today.  and the people love it.  

... do you not realize the book says if someone preaches another gospel

... let him be accursed?  this is super serious.  not a mere "debate." 

Amen, brother ... you're right on!

You should read what God is speaking to His prophets and watchmen these days!

Many so-called "believers" and their pastors are NOT on the narrow path to heaven.

No one who is sinning habitually (i.e. w/o repentance) is a faithful saved believer.

Millions sitting in the pews and standing in the pulpits need to be WARNED.

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On 3/26/2019 at 12:54 AM, Jostler said:

I'm sorry to see this has just descended into another "Once saved always saved" vs.  "you  can lose it" debate

 

 

There are no verses in the NT that threaten the loss of Salvation. Including Hebrews Ch 6, and Ch 10, or anything in Matthew.  So, if someone posts 300 verses, disconnected, no context, and says....>"see look"....."proof". They have only proven they can cut and past 300 verses from some webpage where they spend too much time online.

So, Do you expect believers who read this type stuff and realize that weak believers might be convinced by this, that we should just sit by and listen quietly?     Can you understand that when someone tries to prove, as this OP is trying to prove, that you can lose your salvation, = that the Blood of Jesus is being attacked and demoted ?   As its the Blood of Jesus that saves you and keeps you saved, and this is not something a real believer  can undo or remit because of bad behavior, nor is the Blood of Jesus  something that anyone should be trying to subvert with disconnected "cut and paste" lists of verses on a Christian Forum, or anywhere else.

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2 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

Amen, brother ... you're right on!

You should read what God is speaking to His prophets and watchmen these days!

Many so-called "believers" and their pastors are NOT on the narrow path to heaven.

No one who is sinning habitually (i.e. w/o repentance) is a faithful saved believer.

Millions sitting in the pews and standing in the pulpits need to be WARNED.

 i tell you of a certainty... its gonna rain. 

 people need to get their houses swept clean.  need to get ready.   He is looking for those to work the fields now. 

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On 3/18/2019 at 8:11 PM, Cletus said:

there is a subtitle you should add... "Conditional"  look for words like IF... Here is a good example:

Joh 8:31  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

this would imply IF we do not continue in His word... we are not His disciples indeed. 

Amen. So many seem to skip over, or ignore that little, but vitally important word, IF. 

"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."
- John 15:10

"You are My friends If you do whatever I command you." - John 15:14

"Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off." - Rom 11:22 

Our churches at large today are in desperate need of a Back-to-the-Bible Revival. 

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10 hours ago, Michael (limmuwd) said:

Amen. So many seem to skip over, or ignore that little, but vitally important word, IF. 

"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."
- John 15:10

"You are My friends If you do whatever I command you." - John 15:14

"Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off." - Rom 11:22 

Our churches at large today are in desperate need of a Back-to-the-Bible Revival. 

Oh the desperation... even the earth groans...

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.   2 Chronicles 7:14

... oh no dont prophesy to us these things... but whats smooth and blessings. 

... and they love to have it so. 

its downright scary when you really give thought to the desperation. 

 

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