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NT verses to churches threaten loss of salvation

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3 minutes ago, George said:

These are instances to report.  :)  Honestly, let the moderators handle it.  :)

Roger that Brother!!

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13 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

What happened to all the “ thumbs up” or “ oy vey” thingys......did I hit a wrong button or something?

I removed it out of this forum as it was leading to more contention.  The Oy Veys' and the High Fives were leading people to "gang up" or "tear down" others.   This is how topics become personal ... instead of debating the issue at hand.

I'm getting to the point where some people can't just discuss a topic and it becomes a stumbling block in their own testimonies ... that we can start removing access to certain forums.  Not banning anyone ... as it's always a last resort, but at times -- people need to take a step back and remember the bigger picture!   When people lose their love, and joy over a forum ... or a topic ... it's time to step back and re-evaluate their lives.  

I shouldn't be surprised ... but I am often at how people lose the awesome joy of the Lord ... and the love the Lord.  As if they never really grasped or took hold of it.  If you find yourself in this position debating any topic and you've lost your love and your peace ... it's time to step back.  If you feel that you can't ... we may be forced to do it for you.  :)

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6 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

She “ could” , but she won’t.....

Thank you.  That is all I wanted to know.

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12 hours ago, Willa said:

There are people who purposely try to stir up controversy and keep Worthy embroiled.

 Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.

 Tit 3:10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,

 Tit 3:11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Eph 4:1  I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called,

Eph 4:2  with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love,

Eph 4:3  endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
 

Mat 5:8  Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.

Mat 5:9  Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.

 

--Preaching to myself again.  Attitude check.

And then there are earnest seekers trying to find the Truth and receive a greater understanding on the subject matter.

 

 

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Paul writes to his apprentice, Timothy, for the express purpose of exhorting him to “fight the battle well, holding on to faith and a good conscience” (1 Timothy 1:18–19) while pastoring a church. Paul begins his epistle with a warning against false doctrine and myths (verses 3–4) and a charge to remain true to sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel” (verses 10–11). Paul then provides the names of Hymaneaus and Alexander as examples of what can happen when someone does not fight the good fight and keep the faith and a clear conscience.

Here is the passage that mentions Hymenaeus and Alexander: “Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme” (1 Timothy 1:18–20).

Paul does not expound on the error of Hymenaeus and Alexander. Timothy obviously knew who they were and knew their situation well. Second Timothy 2:18 gives a little more detail, saying that Hymanaeus and his new partner in sin, Philetus, “have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.” Paul likens their false doctrine to a gangrene that spreads corruption and destroys life (verse 17).

The idea of the “shipwrecked” faith of Hymenaeus and Alexander in 1 Timothy 1:19 is that they had veered off course, away from good teaching, and drifted into the dangerous rocks of false teaching. They had wrecked their faith. Paul clearly links faith with a  Good Conscience  (and the righteous behavior that comes with a good conscience) in 1 Timothy 1:5and 19. Interestingly, the word translated “rejected” in verse 19 is a nautical term meaning “thrown overboard.” Hymenaeus and Alexander had tossed out the good conscience that comes with proper belief—in other words, they loved sin. The “ship” of their faith, not having the ballast it needed, went out of control and wrecked. So those who accept false teachings and ignore their conscience will suffer spiritual damage, like a ship that hits the rocks and is broken up.

It seems that Hymenaeus and Alexander must have professed faith in Christ at one point, since it is their “faith” that was shipwrecked. But they refused to follow the dictates of their conscience. They walked according to the flesh and not the Spirit (see Romans 8:5–9), claiming the name of Christ while behaving like unbelievers. As commentator Albert Barnes wrote, “People become infidels because they wish to indulge in sin. No man can be a sensualist, and yet love that gospel which enjoins purity of life. If people would keep a good conscience, the way to a steady belief in the gospel would be easy. If people will not, they must expect sooner or later to be landed in infidelity” (Notes on the Bible, commentary on 1 Timothy 1:19). Hymenaeus and Alexander did not lose their salvation; either they were pretenders exposed for what they were or they were straying believers disciplined by a loving God (see Hebrews 12:6).

Paul says that he had delivered Hymenaeus and Alexander “to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme” (1 Timothy 1:19). There is one other time when Paul had delivered a person to Satan: a man who professed to believe in Jesus but simultaneously living an immoral lifestyle was delivered “over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 5:5). Note that the reason Paul metes out such a harsh apostolic judgment is the benefit of all those involved. The church would be purified, and the erring individuals would be brought to repentance. The goal for the man in Corinth was that he would submit to God and be saved from spiritual ruin. The goal for Hymenaeus and Alexander was that they “be taught not to blaspheme” (1 Timothy 1:20).

Paul himself had been a blasphemer at one time (1 Timothy 1:13), but, praise God, he testified that “the grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus” (verse 14). Paul’s desire for the shipwrecked Hymenaeus and Alexander is that they would also learn not to blaspheme and come to know the grace and mercy of the Lord.

 text From www.gotquestions.org/Hymenaeus-and-Alexander.html

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