Question concerning the beast

[douggg]

17 minutes ago, Sister said:

Daniel 8:25   And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

You didn't research far enough.

The little horn person when he has become the Antichrist, will three years into it,  goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.     Which is the transgression of desolation act in Daniel 8:12-13.

"magnify's himself in his heart"

When the person does the audacious act of sitting in the temple, in the seat of God, God's anger rises against him and has him killed.

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

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[douggg]

22 minutes ago, Sister said:

Daniel 11:36   And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Daniel 11:36 is after the person has become the beast.

In Daniel 7, the person starts off as the little horn and the person goes through all the roles, being killed and brought back to life, but those are not revealed until later in other chapters and verses, to meet his end when Jesus returns.

Across the span of his time, he prospers.

 

[douggg]

31 minutes ago, Sister said:

One of the kingdoms (heads) was wounded (weakened), not speaking of a particular king, but the kingdom in which the little horn comes out of. This kingdom regains it's full strength back and when it does, it goes full force for this little horn to come up out of them and wax great. 

 Daniel 8:9   And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Waxing exceeding great just means he heads to the middle east and Israel with a strong army.

 

33 minutes ago, Sister said:

Daniel 8:10   And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

It is talking about the Jews.

When the person claims to have achieved God-hood, in the middle part of the seven years, and they Jews reject him and his claim, he begin taking out revenge on them persecuting them with his EU military.

[Sister]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

The whore is riding the beast.   Differently, the seven heads are part of the beast.

The beast coming out of the sea consists of all the major ruling kingdoms of the world.  Not only that, there are nations in there, smaller kingdoms, and all the people of the earth.  The kingdoms mentioned in Daniel only give us a time-line so we know which kingdom is the last.    The whore is sitting over her kingdom, called Babylon.  All the kingdoms of the earth have been serving her and not God.  Her kingdom as a whole are all the kingdoms of man great and small.

 
 

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The false prophet is not mortally wounded and comes back to life.     He comes out the earth, born in Israel.    The false prophet doesn't rule as a King.   He is a false prophet, claiming to be Elijah.

 

It appears that you see the FP and the little horn as two different men?  They are the same man.  He is also called the Son of Perdition.  It's ten kings and ONE MAN.

No where in the scriptures does it say or even refer to the FP claiming to be Elijah?  I don't know where you got that from?

 

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Okay, the point you are missing is that the first beast in Revelation 13 represents both a kingdom and a person.    
 

 

Yes that kingdom has a person ruling over it.  We know that.  That kingdom with the 10 kings has a voice also.  Their laws and their propaganda.  They are of the kingdom of darkness, and this kingdom has a king over it - the Father of lies.  This kingdom is full of lies.  They have managed to trample the truth to the ground and get most of the world to believe there is no true one God.  They sway us away from the truth and put us to sleep so that we can believe anything. 

 

 Revelation 13:3   And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

(This kingdom is strong, as Daniel told us in 7:19  Different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with teeth of iron, and nails of brass, which devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet. There has never been a kingdom so great and dreadful as this kingdom ever.  Everyone will fear this kingdom)

  Revelation 13:4   And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

(The people who are in awe of this kingdom are serving the dragon and not God. They are in spiritual darkness. They love the new laws of this kingdom.  They feel safe from terror and their enemies because this kingdom is so mighty and fierce)

  Revelation 13:5   And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

(This kingdom speaks through it's policies and laws.....and it will continue for another forty two months, meaning it now has authority to devour and break in pieces)

  Revelation 13:6   And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

(This kingdom is against God.  His laws will prove that.)

  Revelation 13:7   And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

(This kingdom is making war with the saints.  They will plant hatred, and all will love to exercise this hatred)

  Revelation 13:8   And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation

So who are they really worshipping?

 Revelation 13:12   And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
 

(The FP is telling us to worship the first beast - that kingdom with all the laws.  To bow down and obey those laws.  Do whatever they tell us.  He enforces those laws)

 

Revelation 13:14   And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

(The image is made in honour of that first beast...that kingdom with the 10 kings ruling.  He's pointing us back to them all the time, to honour and obey)

 

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The kingdom is the kingdom of the person.   The kingdom is the EU in its final form.    The person is the come back to life king 7, the little horn person. 

 

 

You don't know that for sure and neither do I whether it will be the EU.  It could be, but things could change.  We just have to wait and see.  We know it's Europe regardless.

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There is no morphoring of a 7th kingdom into an eighth kingdom.     What is the 7th kingdom in your view that morphs into an eighth kingdom?

The 7th kingdom is the last kingdom (last head on the beast).  That one.  It changes when it eat's the whores flesh and strips her naked.  They will destroy their own system only to bring in their new one.  The world will be made into a cashless society.  All can only buy and sell through receiving the mark of the Beast - the microchip.  I think this is the image of the beast - the new system.

[douggg]

1 minute ago, Sister said:

The beast coming out of the sea consists of all the major ruling kingdoms of the world.  Not only that, there are nations in there, smaller kingdoms, and all the people of the earth.  The kingdoms mentioned in Daniel only give us a time-line so we know which kingdom is the last. 

The sea means the nations.   But the beast itself is the kingdom of the person who is the beast.

That kingdom of the beast will be the EU in its final form.    It has a composite form of the other three kingdoms in Daniel 7, meaning with 42 months left in the 7 years, the EU will have taken control of the territories once held by those three kingdoms of Babylon, Medes-Persians, the Greeks.

5 minutes ago, Sister said:

The whore is sitting over her kingdom, called Babylon.  All the kingdoms of the earth have been serving her and not God.  Her kingdom as a whole are all the kingdoms of man great and small.

The whore is sitting over the scarlet colored beast which represents Satan.   The whore having Mytery Babylon the Great identifies the whore as Satan and his angels mystical Kingdom of Babylon the Great.   It is not a kingdom like the nations of the world.    It is a principality, overshadowing the world, and influencing the affairs of man.

 

11 minutes ago, Sister said:

Revelation 13:4   And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

(The people who are in awe of this kingdom are serving the dragon and not God. They are in spiritual darkness. They love the new laws of this kingdom.  They feel safe from terror and their enemies because this kingdom is so mighty and fierce)

The beast in that verse is not talking about a kingdom, but the beast person.    666 is the number of a man.

14 minutes ago, Sister said:

  Revelation 13:8   And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation

So who are they really worshipping?

 Revelation 13:12   And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
 

(The FP is telling us to worship the first beast - that kingdom with all the laws.  To bow down and obey those laws.  Do whatever they tell us.  He enforces those laws)

They are worshiping the man called the beast.     When then worship the statue image made of that man, after the image comes to life by Satan incarnating it, they are worshiping Satan.

16 minutes ago, Sister said:

You don't know that for sure and neither do I whether it will be the EU.  It could be, but things could change.  We just have to wait and see.  We know it's Europe regardless.

Well, for right now it is called the EU.

19 minutes ago, Sister said:

The 7th kingdom is the last kingdom (last head on the beast).  That one.  It changes when it eat's the whores flesh and strips her naked.  They will destroy their own system only to bring in their new one.  The world will be made into a cashless society.  All can only buy and sell through receiving the mark of the Beast - the microchip.  I think this is the image of the beast - the new system.

I am trying to get you to identify the so-called 7th kingdom in terms that people would  know what the 7th kingdom is.

You are referring to monetary systems.   The last one being the mark of the beast.   But those are not kingdoms.

I am asking about the kingdoms themselves.

[Sister]

41 minutes ago, douggg said:

You didn't research far enough.

The little horn person when he has become the Antichrist, will three years into it,  goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.     Which is the transgression of desolation act in Daniel 8:12-13.

"magnify's himself in his heart"

When the person does the audacious act of sitting in the temple, in the seat of God, God's anger rises against him and has him killed. 

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Yes, the prince of Tyrus here is referring to the FP/little horn/Son of Perdition/Antichrist. (same man).

He will die in Nob, the sanctuary of the high priests from long ago, but at the end.  He will be killed without hand.  Not slayed by a sword, but maybe by a gun or a bomb.  He will be killed by a stranger not of his own kingdom, but by the hand of "the terrible of the nations" which are the Mede's (now known as Islam).

Isaiah 10:32   As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the daughter of Zion, the hill of Jerusalem.

This happens when all the armies come down from Megiddo to war where the Lamb is standing (On the Mount of Olives).  All will be afraid.  He will remain at Nob and be killed there for this is his hiding place. He will die a coward. 

This all happens at the end, for this man is the FP, the same little horn, the Son of Perdition/Antichrist who has caused all this terror on the earth and lifted himself up showing himself as God.  Yes he will be killed, but not prematurely as you say, but at the end.

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Sister said:

He will die in Nob, the sanctuary of the high priests from long ago, but at the end.  He will be killed without hand.  Not slayed by a sword, but maybe by a gun or a bomb.  He will be killed by a stranger not of his own kingdom, but by the hand of "the terrible of the nations" which are the Mede's (now known as Islam). 

Isaiah 10:32   As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the daughter of Zion, the hill of Jerusalem.

This happens when all the armies come down from Megiddo to war where the Lamb is standing (On the Mount of Olives).  All will be afraid.  He will remain at Nob and be killed there for this is his hiding place. He will die a coward. 

Isaiah 10:32 is not talking about the little horn person, but Sennacherib the Assyrian, who instead of attacking Jerusalem that day,  pauses overnight at Nob with intent to attack Jerusalem the next day.       During the night the angel of the Lord struck down 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians.  

So Sennacherib broke camp and left, returning back to Nineveh.   2Kings19:32-37.   

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At the end of the 7 years, the little horn person, the beast person at time, will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

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Who do you think this person is who's soul get cast out of hell, his body not to be buried?

Isaiah 14,

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

It is what I have been saying, the revealed man of sin will be killed by strangers, in Ezekiel 28:1-10.   There will be a world wide televised funeral of him.    With all of the camera's on, he sits up in his casket, come back to life.    As the beast person, who later will be cast alive into the lake of fire when Jesus returns.

 

 

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[choir loft]

18 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Choir Loft,

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. (Rev 16:13-14

From this passage we can clearly see that the beast, the False prophet, and the Dragon are men possessed by the Devils. Yes, they are kingdoms and kings, and governmental powers involved, but at the heart of the matter they are men possessed by supernatural beings.

The beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit is another matter. This beast is a fallen angel. Rev. 11:5 says that no man can kill the two witnesses, well this beast is no man, and hence has the power to kill them. Does this beast then assume control of a kingdom, Yes, But he has no crowns. The fallen angels are not men. Scripture supports their existence. This beast is none other than the head of these fallen angels Azazel who is chained in the bottomless pit (Was, is not now, and is to come). This fallen angel is the one the goat was sent to in the wilderness during the day of atonement AKA Scapegoat. This being the fulfillment of that Holy Day.  

If you interpret scripture from literalist perspective, or if you interpret from a rationalistic and allegorical perspective, you are likely to err either way. The Truth is some passages are allegorical, some are meant to be literal, and if the Holy Ghost is not guiding you, The Spirit of Truth, you will likely fall into error. I have seen many on both sides fall into error.   

 

The passage you dispute here does not represent men.  

Again, whenever animals or figures of animals are presented in prophecy they represent systems; religious, political or financial systems.  Interpreting the passage above as a set of systems is not out of line with that method of interpretation.   

Have you never studied the nature of propaganda and do you not know the flow of popular trends?  

Both proceed from a system - one from a political system and the other from a social or religious system.  One may truly claim such things spring from the inspiration of deceiving spirits, but they are indeed fleshed out by earthly systems/groups of men.  False prophet, for example always references a religious system in the chapters of Revelation unless a specific person is noted.  Much evil has flowed from political AND religious systems in the form of propaganda.  The beast in revelation represents a political system heavily dedicated to persecution. 

Dual interpretation is best illustrated in the term "anti-christ".   Spirit of anti-Christ (propaganda or trend or popular attitude), mentioned in the epistles is a product of a system, while anti-christ can also be a man or individual.   One must hold very close to the context in which these phrases or objects are presented to get an accurate understanding of the inspired intent. 

Many have entertained erroneous ideas because they've wandered from the benchmark of interpretation.

Case in point is the elaborate story telling that springs from imaginative interpretation of the Bible - the chief being Muslim eschatology.  Point by point it's a mirror image of Judeo-Christian predictions of End Times systems.  The vacillation between persons and actions of systems makes the tale extremely confusing - as well as open to the interpretation of anyone for personal advantage.(*)  National interactions in both lead to massive warfare in the name of peace.  There is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.

The purpose of interpretation of prophecy ought not be confused with predictions of the future.  All prophecy is given for edification.  We are meant to know where we are along the way - like mile markers along the interstate.   By these things we know we are in the End Times.  We are to be encouraged that God is in control and that God's will ultimately prevails.   We are not given that which will predict the future for personal profit.   Unfortunately, many people falsely imagine themselves to be prophets (for profit).   Scriptural prophecy is meant to strengthen us in the faith by showing us our place in God's plan of redemption.

When you see these things begin to happen, look up and rejoice for your redemption draws near......   (Luke 21:28)

According to the system of the Kingdom of Heaven......we are encouraged to know that we will LIVE and that true PEACE will prevail upon the earth.   Believers will live in the peaceful eye of the hurricane of events and not suffer the strokes of the Almighty.  In this we may be encouraged that God loves us.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

(*) Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister of the German government during WWII, made frequent use of Bible passages that refer to the coming of Christ.  One famous propaganda movie portrays Hitler descending from the clouds as a Christ figure.   Biblical imagery is very powerful and can be easily twisted to ill use if classic methods of interpretation are ignored.

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[dhchristian]

1 hour ago, choir loft said:

The passage you dispute here does not represent men.  

Again, whenever animals or figures of animals are presented in prophecy they represent systems; religious, political or financial systems.  Interpreting the passage above as a set of systems is not out of line with that method of interpretation.

Wrong, it clearly speaks of men. You sound like you are fresh out of university, so let me speak your language. You familiar with Peter L. Berger? Sounds like you are... Are you familiar with his dialectic? The individual creates society, and in turn society produces the individual through means of socialization. So for example John Calvin got an idea of how to interpret scripture, soon a group of people followed him and formed the Calvinist churches, Which in turn create Calvinists who are brought up in those churches. So you have a man creating a social structure, which eventually becomes a state religion and indoctrinates younger generations there in. As wrong or right as the teachings of Calvin were, they took on a life of their own and were deemed to be true to successive generations of Calvinists. The Beast and the false prophet are no different. All society is founded on the teachings and interpretations of man good or Bad. Societal sin is rooted in the individual as we are all born in sin. The pointing of Blame on propaganda is  akin to not acknowledging our own sinful state and being susceptible to that propaganda and not having the heart that desires to know the Truth. Transferring blame from the individual to the society is to disavow the dialectic that created that society.

What we see in this beast system today is a desire to blind the people from seeing their true Power in the creation of society, By pitting one society against another. Goebbels did so by painting the superiority of the German race with that of the lesser races, and causing all those who dissented to be deemed lesser races. Today people come out of Universities knowing only to claim their victim status and by doing so are incapable of seeing the sin within them that has caused this. The Churches of Today no longer convict of sin and preach repentance, but rather feed this mindset by offering a feel good safe space for these victims to come to "In the eye of the storm". The Problem is, there is still a storm around you. You are still a PART of that storm as it wreaks Havoc across the World. You are still part of this sinful system, and not a part of the Kingdom of God which is not of this world. 

Do You understand what I am saying? The beast is a man, and the antichrist has always been man. For all sin, both societal and individual is born out of the sinful heart of man. We all are antichrist, unless God intervenes. We all are a part of this beast system unless God removes us from that system. We all are guilty, and condemned already unless we repent and are Born of the Spirit. There is no safe space in the heart of the storm, Because the calm at the center is what sustains that storm. We are in the World, but not of the world. We are meant to be those winds that shear the storm and weaken it,not part of the calm in the middle that empowers it. We need to be in the brutal parts of the storm giving our testimony, so as to weaken this storm from consuming all.

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: (Luke 12:51)

1 hour ago, choir loft said:

The purpose of interpretation of prophecy ought not be confused with predictions of the future.  All prophecy is given for edification.  We are meant to know where we are along the way - like mile markers along the interstate.   By these things we know we are in the End Times.  We are to be encouraged that God is in control and that God's will ultimately prevails.   We are not given that which will predict the future for personal profit.   Unfortunately, many people falsely imagine themselves to be prophets (for profit).   Scriptural prophecy is meant to strengthen us in the faith by showing us our place in God's plan of redemption.

Though I agree with this as a whole it undercuts the true purpose of Prophecy. The true purpose of prophecy is to glorify God, showing the end from the beginning. Prophecy makes us realize how much greater God is, and how awfully puny we are. We deserve no place in God's plan of redemption, but by his Love and grace he has granted us a place, if we remain rooted in the vine that is Christ Jesus. God is a Just God too, and his holiness demands this. Repentance is the key that separates the religious from the saved, Just like the Prayer of the Publican separated and justified him over the prayer of the Pharisee (Luke 18:9ff). I am afraid we in this Laodicean church age have gotten it all backwards. We are seeking shelter and escape, rather than sharing in his suffering that we may share in his Glory. 

God Bless

[luigi]

On 4/3/2019 at 4:26 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

This question is only for those who believe the Pope,or Europe is the beast.

According to scripture ,the two witnesses of Christ occupy Jerusalem (where thier Lord was crucified) for 42 months.During this time they will be torturing and killing people.After the 1260 day occupation, the beast will ascend out of the bottomless pitt and kill them.

Keep in mind.Those of the nations who kill these two witnesses of Christ will celebrate in the streets of Jerusalem,because they persecute them

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-10.htm

Now here is the question.

Why do you believe these two christians will be torturing and killing Europians and other christians thousands of miles from Jerusalem in Europe?

Hello Shilohsfoal,

Four of the seven heads of the beast are European nations, as four of the G-7's members represent Great Britain, France, Germany, and Italy.

If you notice the two witnesses in Revelation 11 appear 42 months prior to when the beast who ascends from the bottomless pit, wars with and kills the two witnesses.

The beast's ascension from the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2 (which is another description for its rising from the sea in Rev 13:1), represents the fifth sounding (warning) from the seven angels in Revelation 8, 9, & 11.

The angels soundings, which are their providing mankind warning, are disregarded by mankind, and result in the plagues seen in those chapters of Revelation.

These plagues are attributed to the love mankind has for the works his hands produce (Revelation 9:20).

In Revelation 8:7 we see 1/3 of earth's trees and all green grass burned. Today we see increasing global warming due to mankind's works creating greater fire seasons throughout the world.

In Revelation 8:8 we see a great mountain burning with fire cast into the sea, causing 1/3 of the world's seas to turn to blood. Today we see increasing red tides throughout the world caused by increasing amounts of fertilizer runoff entering rivers and being carried and emptied into the world's seas and oceans.

In Revelation 8:10 when the third angel sounds, a great star burning as a lamp falls upon earth's rivers and aquifers causing 1/3 of all earth's freshwater resources to become bitter and poisonous. Today we see as a result of hydraulic fracturing increasing levels of underground aquifers along with rivers becoming contaminated, making many people along with livestock, ill.

In Revelation 8:12 1/3 of the sun and moon and stars illumination does not shine for a third part of the day, and night. Today due to increasing industrial pollution throughout the world, the sun, moon, and stars appear less bright than in the past.

To answer your question: The two witnesses in Jerusalem are testifying to all the damage the people's love for the things their hands produce through industry, causing all the mayhem being seen in the world, to which mankind willfully disregards so that they may continue to worship the idols they so love. The two witnesses do not per se kill those who disregard their testimony; they who hate the two witnesses testimony so much, that they devise means to kill the two witnesses, the Lord instead kills them as they would have done to the two witnesses.

 

 

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: