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7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Rome is not the beast.Now i know you have been taught by man.We are not going to agree.

Maybe you will understand after US forces are occupying Jerusalem on Donald Trumps behalf.

 

Go back to the image in Daniel.

Daniel 2:32   This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

 Daniel 2:33   His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
 

The head of Gold is Babylon.

The arms of silver are Medo/Persia.

The brass belly is Grecia.

The legs of iron are Rome.

The feet and toes which come next are made of what?  Iron and clay

What empire before was symbolised by the Iron?

Rome.

That's why I call the beast now modern day Rome....because it's roots are of Rome.  Not Islam.  It's a different Rome, not the same.  It's now mingled with the weaker nations which is the clay.  It's ruling system is of the Roman way - Democracy.

 

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6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

This is when the tribulation is coming to an end at the 6th trumpet

Sorry, Sister, but this is just not true. The 6th trumpet comes before the 7th trumpet and the 7th marks the MIDPOINT of the week, not the end of the week. After the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint, the BEAST will be revealed. And soon after the False Prophet, and THEN will come days of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of. Did you not notice that the beheaded only begin to show up in heaven in chapter 15?

close to the end of the trib, all the nations come in to battle.  Red the 6th vial. 

the whole lot of them combined who are all at war with each other. Show us a verse for this: it is far more likely they are all at war with Israel.

The 6th trumpet/vial is the 2nd woe.  The third woe comes quickly.  The third woe is the Coming, when the 7th angel sounds.

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13 hours ago, Sister said:

Go back to the image in Daniel.

Daniel 2:32   This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

 Daniel 2:33   His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
 

The head of Gold is Babylon.

The arms of silver are Medo/Persia.

The brass belly is Grecia.

The legs of iron are Rome.

The feet and toes which come next are made of what?  Iron and clay

What empire before was symbolised by the Iron?

Rome.

That's why I call the beast now modern day Rome....because it's roots are of Rome.  Not Islam.  It's a different Rome, not the same.  It's now mingled with the weaker nations which is the clay.  It's ruling system is of the Roman way - Democracy.

 

And since the legs of iron and the feet of iron and clay are seen as the fourth kingdom (not fourth and fifth) the common denominator is the evil spirit being that caused Rome to exercise dominion, the prince of Rome.  Daniel 10 shows this correlation between these evil princes and their corresponding kingdoms.  In Daniel 7, this prince of Rome is seen as the fourth beast (with iron teeth), the beast with 10 horns.  In Revelation 13 he is seen as the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns.

The prince of Rome was cast into the abyss (1st century?) . . . then the times of the Gentiles ensued . . . then the prince of Rome was released from the abyss (1900?) and we now have Rome 2.0, the U.N., the feet of iron and clay.

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14 hours ago, Sister said:

The 6th trumpet/vial is the 2nd woe.  The third woe comes quickly.  The third woe is the Coming, when the 7th angel sounds.

TRue, but these events come in the FIRST HALF Of the 70th week.  The 7th trumpet will sound in heaven at the moment the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God.  Then come the days of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of - in the last half of the week. There will be 1260 days left when the man of sin says he is God - this will be the abomination that Jesus spoke of.

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34 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

And since the legs of iron and the feet of iron and clay are seen as the fourth kingdom (not fourth and fifth) the common denominator is the evil spirit being that caused Rome to exercise dominion, the prince of Rome. 

 

And Rome, when in power was the King of the North way back then if we follow Daniel 11 closely.....

 

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Daniel 10 shows this correlation between these evil princes and their corresponding kingdoms.  In Daniel 7, this prince of Rome is seen as the fourth beast (with iron teeth), the beast with 10 horns.  In Revelation 13 he is seen as the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns.

Yes!  And don't forget this same beast is the 10 toes also.  The last kingdom who is ruling when Christ comes and destroys.

 

 

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There will be a great cleansing of all the "bigoted people" that hold onto the failed systems of our current barbaric age(Rev.20:4). The Beasts could rule for a total of 20 years(Rev. 17:10) before the last days even start(Dan. 12:11), giving him plenty of time to fully establish his perfect world of peace first. In the new system most Christians will have been executed or starved to death(Rev.13:17) by the Beasts before the Witnesses even appear and are held responsible for the catastrophic climate change. There will be two world leaders, the Maitreya(.org) followed by his number two the Pope(Rev. 13:11).

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18 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

TRue, but these events come in the FIRST HALF Of the 70th week.  The 7th trumpet will sound in heaven at the moment the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God.  Then come the days of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of - in the last half of the week. There will be 1260 days left when the man of sin says he is God - this will be the abomination that Jesus spoke of.

When the 7th trumpet sounds ....it is finished.

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1 minute ago, Scott Free said:

There will be a great cleansing of all the "bigoted people" that hold onto the failed systems of our current barbaric age(Rev.20:4). The Beasts could rule for a total of 20 years(Rev. 17:10) before the last days even start(Dan. 12:11), giving him plenty of time to fully establish his perfect world of peace first. In the new system most Christians will have been executed or starved to death(Rev.13:17) by the Beasts before the Witnesses even appear and are held responsible for the catastrophic climate change. There will be two world leaders, the Maitreya(.org) followed by his number two the Pope(Rev. 13:11).

The beast will only rule for 3 1/2 years, and this is why it is mentioned in the scripures.  This is why the FP is called "the little horn" because his reign is very short.  The 10 toes are very tiny in length compared to the legs, waist or arms.  Each body part on the image in Daniel represents also the length of time those kingdoms ruled for.  Old Rome ruled the longest, and new modern day Rome the shortest.

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1 hour ago, Sister said:

Yes!  And don't forget this same beast is the 10 toes also.  The last kingdom who is ruling when Christ comes and destroys.

Here's something to consider.  It's a bit nuanced but I think the distinction is an important one.

In Daniel 7, the ten horns come up out of the sea with the beast.  Inasmuch as the beast is an evil spirit and influences world affairs, so too are the 10 horns evil spirits (subservient to the beast) who influence world affairs.  So a reference to the 10 horns (10 toes) can be either a reference to the 10 evils spirit beings or their 10 counterparts in the natural realm.

In Daniel 7, the little horn comes up among the 10 horns and rips 3 of them out by the roots.  That causes the little horn to be seen as the larger horn.  The way that the little horn destroyed the three who attacked him caused the change in his size.  This is a reference to the 10 natural kings, the time when people witness the false prophet's supernatural powers and resign to his authority.  The 10 evil spirit horns set this whole thing up expressly for the purpose of bringing the false prophet to a position of dominion.  They threw their natural counterparts "under the bus" so to speak, in order to accomplish their true objective.

It is the 10 spiritual horns who oppose Christ when He returns.  It can't be their counterparts in the natural realm because three of them were ripped out by the roots.  Something ripped out by the roots doesn't come back.

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3 hours ago, Sister said:

The beast will only rule for 3 1/2 years

The 3 1/2 years starts after the assassination of the first beast and during the reign of the second. 20 years is a ballpark figure and is what would be considered a little while in a lengthy historical narrative that covers 2,600 years. How else could they fulfill the prophecy concerning them that takes place before the Abomination of Desolation.

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