R. Hartono Posted April 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) http://www.hiddenbible.com/enoch/online4.html Enoch 89:59 And He called seventy shepherds, and cast those sheep to them that they might pasture them,..." Enoch prophesied there would be 70 shepherds to lead the Hebrew. They are 35+23 (ancient time) +12 (end time) = 70 Enoch 90:1 And I saw till that in this manner thirty-five shepherds undertook the pasturing (of the sheep), and they severally completed their periods as did the first; Enoch 90:5 And I saw until that twenty-three had undertaken the pasturing and completed in their several periods fifty-eight times. Who are these 35+23 = 58 ancient shepherds : combine this two links : http://jesusalive.cc/ques349.htm https://www.conformingtojesus.com/charts-maps/en/kings_of_israel-judah_chart.htm 43 kings + 15 judges = 58 May be Moses is not included because he didn't enter the land. And Joshua passed away after alloting the land to the 12 tribes. AND THERE WILL BE TWELVE LAST SHEPHERDS which means untl the end of times. 1 Enoch 90:19 ..he opened that book concerning the destruction which those TWELVE LAST SHEPHERDS had wrought" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Israel AFTER THE LAST TWELVE SHEPHERDS RULE THAN COME THE LORD OF THE SHEEP TO RULE AT THE PLEASANT LAND : (JESUS CHRIST) Enoch 90:19 And I saw till a great sword was given to the sheep, and the sheep proceeded against all the beasts of the field to slay them, and all the beasts and the birds of the heaven fled before their face. And I saw that man, who wrote the book according to the command of the Lord, till he opened that book concerning the destruction which those twelve last shepherds had wrought, and showed that they had destroyed much more than their predecessors, before the Lord of the sheep. And I saw till the Lord of the sheep came unto them and took in His hand the staff of His wrath, and smote the earth, and the earth clave asunder, and all the beasts and all the birds of the heaven fell from among those sheep, and were swallowed up in the earth and it covered them. 20 And I saw till a throne was erected in the pleasant land, and the Lord of the sheep sat Himself thereon, and the other took the sealed books and opened those books before the Lord of the sheep. Is Netanyahu the last twelve shepherds in Israel ? Edited April 6, 2019 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeySpeaksAgain Posted April 9, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 269 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 2:48 AM, R. Hartono said: Is Netanyahu the last twelve shepherds in Israel ? Just verified for myself that there are 11 "names" used as the title of NT books. The twelveth? The Revelation of JESUS. Also, have you noticed in Enoch when he wrote about "days" (I think it was 10?) of prophecy. With one day = 1000 years, we can see how Jesus is portrayed on day 6 (if I remember correctly). Day 9 covers the Millennium and day 10 the 'ever after'. So, that leaves 2000 years from the cross to the millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted April 9, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 hours ago, DonkeySpeaksAgain said: Just verified for myself that there are 11 "names" used as the title of NT books. The twelveth? The Revelation of JESUS. Could you kindly specify those 11 names ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted August 8, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 We see there's a deadlock after 2019 election in Israel and Israel will have another election in 17 September 2019, however as figured out in the above prophecy of the last twelve end times shepherd in Israel there will only appear twelve shepherds and Netanjahu is the last twelve be4 the arrival of the false Messiah and fake Elijah (the 1st and 2nd beast of Rev 13). https://www.timesofisrael.com/spinning-heads-could-liberman-really-become-pm-under-a-rotation-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 8, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Why is the book of Enoch not included in the bible? Bible Answer: The book of Enoch is one of the Pseudepigrapha books and was apparently written during the second or first century before Jesus Christ. It should be noted that this book is regarded to be the Ethiopic Apocalypse of Enoch. There is also a Slavonic Apocalypse which is called the second book of Enoch which was written in the late first century AD. There is a third book or Hebrew Apocalypse of Enoch which is believed to have been written in the fifth or sixth century AD. However, the first book that is referred to the book of Enoch is the first book which contains one hundred and eight chapters which is comprised of five sections that are also called books. https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qua/qua-archives/questions/why-is-the-book-of-enoch-not-included-in-the-bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted August 8, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: Why is the book of Enoch not included in the bible? Jude quoted the book of Enoch. It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him." Jude 1:14-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 8, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: Jude quoted the book of Enoch. Yes, I know. 39 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: The book of Enoch is one of the Pseudepigrapha books and was apparently written during the second or first century before Jesus Christ. This is why he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted August 9, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/8/2019 at 6:08 PM, BeauJangles said: Bible Answer: The book of Enoch is one of the Pseudepigrapha books and was apparently written during the second or first century before Jesus Christ. Not really, it was preserved by the Hebrew from generation to generation and i guess it was Noah who inherit that from his parents. Did you see the 58 ancient shepherds have been fulfilled in the ancient time ? And then the book jumped to the last twelve shepherds which actually speak about end times nation of Israel as we know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 9, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, R. Hartono said: Did you see the 58 ancient shepherds have been fulfilled in the ancient time ? And then the book jumped to the last twelve shepherds which actually speak about end times nation of Israel as we know now. No, not really. There is always some concern when someone gets overly involved with books that aren't in the bible, and takes it as unquestionable scripture. My friend got really into it at one time. Almost obsessively so. Jude quoting from from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire book was inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe that the book or books in which the case may be, of Enoch to have been truly written by Enoch of the bible. https://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted August 9, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) If you contemplate the Hebrew scholars of the second temple era, before Christ, you will see similar wording and ideas as that are presented by the apostles. The 70 nations (way back) were supposedly 'looked after' by the holy ones depicted in Psalm 82. but failed miserably. In the numerology of the nations, Israel is not there because God took a people for Himself. The theological 'Israel' that Saul refers to is the completed work of the Father when he gathers them all back to Him. This includes Israelis and non-Israelis. In the fullness of time. There are 24 elders in the throne room in Revelations with specific tasks relating to the Judgement that is talked of in Revelations. The court is still in session and since Yeshua presented Himself to them after the resurrection, things have been speeding up. Technically, since Pentecost, God has been working with the lost tribes (the ten) and bringing them back to Himself. Since His Glory has returned to Israel (but most never noticed this) the tribulation has been seen as ending. For the Israelis, vis-a-vis Jeremiah and Ezekiel, the diaspora is the tribulation. The end of what is called the 'carrying and scattering' of the tribes (tribulation) began to be remedied in 1948 by the Balfour Declaration. We think 'tribulation' is something Darby thought up... he just got it all wrong as most prophesy experts do. We do not necessarily have to look for a millennium period either. St. John had plenty of time to discuss things with Yeshua and the 1000 years may just be a red herring meaning 'a long time'. Since very little of our eschatology is correct, I would suggest extreme caution be taken by those attempting to set dates and times since the major themes are what we should look at and overlapping event-visions just confuse people. St. Paul (Saul) makes no distinction between the ethnic Israel, the ethnic Jew or the ethnic non-Israelis. This is the way the Lord God views His Covenant people. The theological Israel is all Israel. So take a hard look at all His Covenants because they all point to God's ideas and the Torah is a good way to learn of God's character. Edited August 9, 2019 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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