MARK 1:44 THE LAW OF MOSES AND YOU

[Elihoenai]

On 4/10/2019 at 9:12 PM, douge said:

Mark 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

During his earthly ministry Jesus upheld the law of Moses. Jesus was telling him to make the offerings commanded under the Old Covenant. The covenants were only made with Israel (Hebrews 8:8 Romans 9:4). In the Gospels, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus came to minister to Israel to confirm their promises (Romans 15:8). The Old covenant at this time, was still in effect.

So many fail to recognize that the law was for the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and the law was given under the old testament. The covenants old and new are only for Israel (Jeremiah 31:31 Romans 9:4). Some follow Christ according to the gospel books of the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and while they are profitable for us, fail to recognize they are putting themselves under law not grace (Romans 6:14). Church doctrine for us is only found in Paul's epistles.

Uncircumcised Gentiles must be Circumcised.

 

Ephesians 2:11-12 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

11 Wherefore, remember, that ye [were] once the nations in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that called Circumcision in the flesh made by hands,

12 that ye were at that time apart from Christ, having been alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope, and without God, in the world;
 

[BeauJangles]

16 minutes ago, Elihoenai said:

Uncircumcised Gentiles must be Circumcised. 
 

Well, fortunately my parents took care of that 'situation' sometime shortly after my birth. Also not to throw a stick into the spokes once again, and for the sake of not falling towards condemnation:

Romans 3:29-30

Galatians 5:2+6

God bless!

David/BeauJangles

[Blood Bought 1953]

2 hours ago, Elihoenai said:

Uncircumcised Gentiles must be Circumcised.

 

Ephesians 2:11-12 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

11 Wherefore, remember, that ye [were] once the nations in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that called Circumcision in the flesh made by hands,

12 that ye were at that time apart from Christ, having been alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope, and without God, in the world;
 

 

Ladies and gentleman.....it don’t get much worse than this.Please, sir , read the Book of Galations while you still have time.....If you add to the Gospel you are severed from Christ and the Cross is of no benefit to you. Very dangerous ground to find yourself on.Paul said at the end of Galatians that circumcision or non- circumcision meant nothing— all that matters is have we been transformed by the Holy Spirit  into a new creation.I will pray for you.

Edited April 13, 2019 by Blood Bought 1953

[douge]

21 hours ago, Elihoenai said:

Uncircumcised Gentiles must be Circumcised.

 

Ephesians 2:11-12 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

11 Wherefore, remember, that ye [were] once the nations in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that called Circumcision in the flesh made by hands,

12 that ye were at that time apart from Christ, having been alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope, and without God, in the world;
 

Hello

I liked the topic.

I am not arguing against you saying Gentiles must be circumcised but first, are you talking about Gentile proselytes of Israel?

And next, did you find a verse for that, I couldn't.

[Elihoenai]

On 4/13/2019 at 2:06 AM, BeauJangles said:

Well, fortunately my parents took care of that 'situation' sometime shortly after my birth. Also not to throw a stick into the spokes once again, and for the sake of not falling towards condemnation:

Romans 3:29-30

 Galatians 5:2+6

God bless!

David/BeauJangles

Did your parents circumcise you on the eighth day?

Luke 2:21 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

21 And when eight days were fulfilled to circumcise the child, then was his name called Jesus, having been so called by the messenger before his being conceived in the womb.
 

Given that Circumcision is common in the  USA, is USA a Jewish Nation?

Prevalence of circumcision

The prevalence of circumcision is the percentage of males in a given population who have been circumcised. The rates vary widely by country, from virtually 0% in Honduras and Japan, to 3.8% in the United Kingdom, to 7% in Spain, to 45% in South Africa, to 82.5% in the United States, to over 90% in many Muslim-majority countries.[2][3][4] In 2007, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated 33% of adult males worldwide (aged 15+) are circumcised, with about two-thirds of those being Muslims.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision

[Elihoenai]

On 4/13/2019 at 2:31 AM, pinacled said:

With theological rhetoric cowards fear walking on water. They fear the humble ... light. 

Where as the few find the Torah to be likened to clovened hooves.

Few find the halakhah of the Ruach hakodosh..

Keen eyes...

Written Torah only! These things are under the Law.

 

Galatians 3:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[Elihoenai]

On 4/13/2019 at 4:10 AM, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Ladies and gentleman.....it don’t get much worse than this.Please, sir , read the Book of Galations while you still have time.....If you add to the Gospel you are severed from Christ and the Cross is of no benefit to you. Very dangerous ground to find yourself on.Paul said at the end of Galatians that circumcision or non- circumcision meant nothing— all that matters is have we been transformed by the Holy Spirit  into a new creation.I will pray for you.

We are well read on the Scriptures. Thanks!

 

Acts 17:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

Acts 15 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

15 And certain having come down from Judea, were teaching the brethren -- `If ye be not circumcised after the custom of Moses, ye are not able to be saved;'

2 there having been, therefore, not a little dissension and disputation to Paul and Barnabas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, to go up unto the apostles and elders to Jerusalem about this question,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15&version=YLT

[Elihoenai]

10 hours ago, douge said:

Hello

I liked the topic.

I am not arguing against you saying Gentiles must be circumcised but first, are you talking about Gentile proselytes of Israel?

And next, did you find a verse for that, I couldn't.

What is Paul saying, speaking by the Spirit, about becoming a Citizen of Israel?  What qualification actulalises Israeli Citizenship?

We speak to the Saints and Faithful in Messiah Yeshua only.

 

Ephesians 1:1 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
 

 

[douge]

5 hours ago, Elihoenai said:

What is Paul saying, speaking by the Spirit, about becoming a Citizen of Israel?  What qualification actulalises Israeli Citizenship?

We speak to the Saints and Faithful in Messiah Yeshua only.

 

Ephesians 1:1 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
 

 

Hello

Your posts are hard to follow

I originally thought you were speaking of Gentile proselytes of Israel as to whether or not they had to be circumcised. I couldn't find a verse at first but just for the record here is one:

Exodus 12:48  And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Now to the point in regard to Gentiles being circumcised today.....it profits nothing. 1 Corinthians 7:19

[JohnD]

On 4/10/2019 at 3:12 PM, douge said:

Mark 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

During his earthly ministry Jesus upheld the law of Moses. Jesus was telling him to make the offerings commanded under the Old Covenant. The covenants were only made with Israel (Hebrews 8:8 Romans 9:4). In the Gospels, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus came to minister to Israel to confirm their promises (Romans 15:8). The Old covenant at this time, was still in effect.

So many fail to recognize that the law was for the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and the law was given under the old testament. The covenants old and new are only for Israel (Jeremiah 31:31 Romans 9:4). Some follow Christ according to the gospel books of the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and while they are profitable for us, fail to recognize they are putting themselves under law not grace (Romans 6:14). Church doctrine for us is only found in Paul's epistles.

The Law of Moses was also in place until the death of the Messiah on the Cross.

Hebrews 9:16–17 (AV)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.