R. Hartono Posted April 11, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 763 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,897 Content Per Day: 3.09 Reputation: 1,976 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11, 2019 I'm not trying to become a stumbling stone to all of you by asking this question. I hope nobody will fall from faith to Jesus. 1 Cor 10:13 .... but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. How about the martyrs of Christ ? What way of escape given them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ayin jade Posted April 11, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,784 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 11,227 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 Look at stephen as he was killed. He saw our Lord. It doesnt mean we wont suffer. Only that He will see us through it as He did the others in the bible. The way to escape is to keep our eyes on Him 2 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted April 11, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,381 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,796 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11, 2019 Jesus Himself was a martyr of a sort. He knew what was going to happen yet proclaimed the truth regardless. John 15 has Jesus saying that the world will hate Christians because it hated Christ first. The Bible never promised us that things would be easy. In fact, we're supposed to count our hardships as joy because it tests and improves our faith (James 1:2 and the following verses). John 15:13 tells us that laying down one's life for others is the greatest example of love, and taking great personal risk for the sake of the faith is indeed an act of love. I firmly believe that God does give grace and comfort in those final moments. When you think about it being martyred really is a high statement of faith. It says "I believe there is a God who loved us all so much that He sent His Son to bear my sins and that we'll be in Heaven together soon.". It's not that I think anyone should rush out to die, but it is important to look at and consider things like that. People do still face persecution and even death for the faith these days, a recent example being John Allen Chau. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted April 11, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,204 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,792 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11, 2019 6 hours ago, R. Hartono said: How about the martyrs of Christ ? What way of escape given them ? Hartono said; "God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, how about the martyrs?" Full scripture; No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation, he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. 1 Corin 10; 13 This is about temptations, not trials of the faith. Previous verses 1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted 1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation, he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. 1 Corin 10; 13 The verse you quote Hartono, is referring to God's provision of escaping TEMPTATION, and a way to escape it (sin). There is no new sin under the sun, and God provides us a way of escaping them. We choose to flee (the right thing) or not (sin) It is not about persecution. For standing/dying for the faith. That is NOT what we want to flee from.......... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tigger56 Posted April 11, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 679 Topics Per Day: 0.37 Content Count: 1,327 Content Per Day: 0.72 Reputation: 991 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/04/2019 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 1 Cor 10:13 .... but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. One thing to keep in mind is that Paul isn't talking specifically of facing death here, he is talking about temptation. When looking at the original Greek roots it shows that temptation and tempt here can be translated "test", "discipline", "prove", etc... Whatever we face in this world the Lord will give us strength to face it, it will not be our strength and power but his. The scripture is one of assurance and peace. Martyrdom was faced by the Apostles and by many after them but isn't what it is necessarily talking about here. It is also interesting that after the word escape there isn't the phrase "escape so you can avoid it, or escape so you can run from it", it states, "escape that you may be able to bear it". With the Lord we can bear and face anything. Edited April 11, 2019 by Tigger56 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jayne Posted April 11, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,776 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,746 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 This verse is not about persecution or martyrdom. It's about escaping our sinful ways. God will not allow a sin to come along and not give us a way of escape from it. For example, if a person is being tempted to look at porn, there is a way of escape. If a person is tempted to curse at someone or eat three pieces of pie or cheat on his taxes, there is a way of escape. What are those ways of escape? In my opinion and in the opinion of many others: prayer, memorized scripture, and transforming our minds. It's clear from the verse alone that it's talking about sin because it used the word "temptation". Looking at the context will make it even more clear. This is about sin, not persecution. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joulre2abba Posted April 12, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 463 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/08/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2019 19 hours ago, R. Hartono said: I'm not trying to become a stumbling stone to all of you by asking this question. I hope nobody will fall from faith to Jesus. 1 Cor 10:13 .... but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. How about the martyrs of Christ ? What way of escape given them ? The temptations are such that are common to man.. the unsaved as well as the saved. In my mind that indicates that what Paul said is not necessarily including those who are martyred in regard to the "escape" part. That is not to say that God abandons the martyred to their fate. I believe that the words "that it will not be above what you be able to bear" is for them. And in the daily trials, the promise of escape is to all believers .. the word "escape" would to me mean "escape the snare of the devil".. but that they may be able to bear it, some bible versions use the word "endure". The idea is to endure against the trial of adversity, the accompanying verse would be "submit yourselves to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you." I think of the devil testing Jesus in the wilderness. For Jesus the way of escaping the temptations was to know and quote the scriptures. Either way, the words assure the believer that God will because of our faith in Him, provide His grace which strengthens the believer so that they won't faint or yield to the test and thereby miss the opportunity to overcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted April 12, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.40 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted April 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Sower said: Hartono said; "God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, how about the martyrs?" Full scripture; No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation, he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. 1 Corin 10; 13 This is about temptations, not trials of the faith. Previous verses 1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted 1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation, he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. 1 Corin 10; 13 The verse you quote Hartono, is referring to God's provision of escaping TEMPTATION, and a way to escape it (sin). There is no new sin under the sun, and God provides us a way of escaping them. We choose to flee (the right thing) or not (sin) It is not about persecution. For standing/dying for the faith. That is NOT what we want to flee from.......... Well, its what I was coming here to say , But the sower commonly known as Gary has let it be known already . SO all I can add is this , PUT THOSE HANDS UP GARY and ALL and LET all PRAISE THE LORD . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2019 22 hours ago, R. Hartono said: I'm not trying to become a stumbling stone to all of you by asking this question. I hope nobody will fall from faith to Jesus. 1 Cor 10:13 .... but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. How about the martyrs of Christ ? What way of escape given them ? Are you speaking of the martyrs that are in the 7 year tribulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted April 12, 2019 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.42 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted April 12, 2019 22 hours ago, R. Hartono said: How about the martyrs of Christ ? What way of escape given them ? They might be tempted to sin, by denying Christ. The way of escape, was to stay true, and persevere. They took the way of escape, they had a choice, and made the correct one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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