Leyla Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 162 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1997 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) Is it okay to genetically modifiy animals, food and humans or do you think its against Gods plan or his creation? Edited April 18, 2019 by Leyla Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2019 No, it is not ok. Genetic engineering interferes with the God-ordained process of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyla Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 162 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1997 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, missmuffet said: No, it is not ok. Genetic engineering interferes with the God-ordained process of life. How can we differentiate between what is gods plan and what not? Is taking medicine to heal a fatal sickness interfering with gods plan aswell? Genetic modifcations have the potential to help many people Edited April 18, 2019 by Leyla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyla Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 162 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1997 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) Double post, excuse me for that Edited April 18, 2019 by Leyla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2019 Everything is genetically modified these days. The vegies and fruits you eat were long since genetically modified in some way. Even if it was just seeds grown from plants that exhibited a particular desirable trait, it was modified. If you wear cotton, chances are it was grown from btcotton, a variety that has botulism toxin coded into it to protect it from boll weevils. Something that has been done for 40 yrs or so. If you use insulin, it is likely to be humulin, a genetic mix of human and e coli material. There are genetic repairs for various diseases that encode a proper gene on to a virus and inset it into people. That repairs a gene and cures a genetic illness in some folks. None of that is playing God. But if it bothers you, then you do not have to use any of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2019 Let me use corn as an example. For awhile folks were upset over gmo corn. And given how it affects the monarch butterflies, perhaps it is right to be concerned over it. However the original corn was a tiny thing. In my archaeology days, we used to excavate old corn cobs that are hundreds of years old. Even those were not the original size. Over time the seeds were selected to grow larger and larger ears. That may not be what folks think of as "genetically modified", but it was still changed from the original genetic material. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cletus said: years back i read a report about gmo corn fed to lab rats for 5 generations and they began to have infertility problems. chicken feed is mostly corn and right now in the chicken industry there are cases of infertility problems. Not sure how wide spread it is. it is debatable whether its gmo corn or the growth hormones they pump the chickens full of.  it would take someone a whole lot smarter than I am to figure it out. the chicken industry is pretty secretive and closed off anyway. anyone who wants to raise their own meat chickens and has done their homework knows this first hand as the standard white cornish, which is the ultimate terminal sire for meat birds, is only to be found in all of america from two places for sale to the public both of which are limited due to being private farms. and out of those two only one is really a viable option. everywhere else the white cornish is not standard breed but bantam. there is also a big controversy over if these chickens in the meat industry are gmo also, of which i do not really care. seems to me like a good chance of it since they are not available to the public, and they have some kind of patent on these chickens.  because of gmo its also hard to find a lot of flowering plants, trees, and veggies anymore. they usually carry the title heritage variety or something like that. the new gmo stuff sold in stores do not do as well, some dont even make seeds. I also hear a lot of older ladies who are into gardening and flowers saying... you cant get those anymore. I am not really a fan of gmo. i can see a potential benefit in some applications such as the one you mentioned about boll weevils, but i would not participate in doing it if a job was offered to me. They do not produce seeds because companies want you to keep buying seeds from them. Otherwise they do not make enough money to survive. I never thought about how they do that but I guess that is gmo too. The use of hormones and antibiotics in raising animals is a big concern. To me, it is bigger than gmo concerns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted April 18, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,396 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,817 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2019 There's a way to do it and a way not to do it. Selectively breeding crops and animals to have more desirable traits is relatively low key and within the realm of something that could happen naturally. Pumping stuff with hormones, altering genes and DNA, and inserting human proteins into rice (this has actually happened) isn't. Certainly there's a lot of promise in what technology can do for us, but one important thing to keep in mind is that all too often we don't understand the full extent of what we're doing. Thalidomide, DDT, endocrine disruptors, and more stand out as examples of things people thought were okay at the time and later found out weren't. Even cocaine was considered a useful medicine at one point and was put in soda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr3032 Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 332 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 273 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) When it comes to medical proceedures, I like to think medical staff are there... Sort of like a tool. They may try to save a person's life, but it is ultimately up to God whether they live or die. That is, of course, assuming the staff is behaving with honor and are not mere money schemers not looking to fix anything, but rather, get that dough. Commercialism is what makes the most sense in this world, it's just that it has a really bad inevitable habit of becoming rampant and hyperactive. Greed is very present in our industry. It used to make sense with merely breeding the best of the crop, but then food companies have to compete with one another. One decided to add a little bit of this to make their apples look more red, then another adds something else to make their apples look bigger... Soon enough, we're not eating apples so much as we are eating 30% apples 70% chemicals. That has negative effects on humans and animals both. Not to mention how much the FDA has become unreliable. They had a noble goal at the start, but it seems like if you pay them enough, they'll put it on the shelves anyway. Even then, many products are placed on shelves even without FDA approval. AnOrangeCat makes a point in that regard. Doctors even used to prescribe whiskey and cigars to people. Having breathing difficulty? Get a Cuban. Life got you down? You can find happiness at the bottom of a bottle. Even with the FDA in place, when they try to convince people that they are upright and honorable, you still have an endless supply of snake oil merchants. In my opinion, medicine and the likes thereof should be the last solution. We have become overly dependent on medicine to solve our ailments, and to me, that has created many weak immune systems. The proper ones may turn their noses, sure, but it's the pus in the wound that makes the blood stronger. I'm not saying we should forgoe medicine altogether, but it's a very dangerous road. Nothing comes without a price, and the convenience we've had in avoiding sickness will crumble someday. Edited April 19, 2019 by dr3032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 4/18/2019 at 1:41 PM, Leyla said: Is it okay to genetically modifiy animals, food and humans or do you think its against Gods plan or his creation? The answer should be yes or no, Christians strive for yes or no, but the answer to your question is "sometimes, depends". Be more specific in your question--and I think you'll learn your answer for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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