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Recovery from Legalism.. Pt 2

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So, in this Thread, which is the sister Thread regarding the one i wrote to you yesterday, .. in this one i want to drill down deeper.
Now, we are talking about "Legalism" which is not a word found in the NT, yet, Paul wrote an entire letter to the Galatians, that is talking to, and about, Legalism....Legalists.
This means, that even early on, in the history of Christianity, you had the Father of Church Doctrine writing about Legalism, as this is an issue that is so common.
Most of you know, that Paul, and no other Apostle, was given by Jesus The Christ Himself, 99% of the advanced revelation that the Church came to understand as "sound doctrine", and "Doctrine for the Church". So, its fitting that Paul would be the one correcting the heresy that is "Legalism" as this twisted theology has been ruining Christians and creating havoc for about the last 2000 yrs, give or take a day or 2. This heresy "legalism" is in direct opposition with "justification by faith", and so, we understand why Paul would say of it, that it is an "Accursed of God" theology, and cursed is the person who teaches it and preaches it......Galatians 1:8

Ok, lets find out who is a Legalist here, as this is another means by which you can begin to escape the mental process that has led to the theological breakdown that you have, if you are a Legalist. After all, if you are a legalist, you don't realize it, as that is the nature of deception.
If you KNEW you are deceived, you would not be deceived....now would you?

So, who is a Legalist? This is simple to understand.
A legalist is anyone who believes that you can lose your salvation.
This means that if YOU believe that you can lose your salvation, or anyone you find on forums like this one, who is totally devoted to no other pursuit then to try to convince you that you can "lose it". These are the enemies of Paul's theology, enemies of Grace, and the enemies of sound doctrine.
And there is one other situation that qualifies you completely, as a Legalist.
A Legalist......has "Fallen from Grace"...or another way to understand it, is, they-you, have left Grace, and are now pursuing self-righteousness.
And again, what is "self - righteousness"? Its the belief and pursuit of "saving yourself" by deeds, works, commandment keeping, sin confession, etc........both before you are saved, and after you are born again. So, unbelievers and believers can both be "Fallen from Grace", but only a believer can be born again.

And what is the principal issue that a Legalist is suffering from inside their mind and within their theology?
Its very simple,...they are not trusting in God- Christ Alone TO KEEP THEM SAVED, and are themselves trying to accomplish this with works, deeds, commandment keeping, sin confession, enduring to the end, holding onto their faith"....etc.
= ALL SELF EFFORT.

So, a Legalist who is born again, started out trusting in Christ for Salvation, but somewhere along the way, they stopped BELIEVING that God and Christ will KEEP THEM SAVED.
Then enters their "self righteousness", which is to be understood as, "trying to keep self right, with God, or working to make Self right with God".
This is the same mistake, same Spiritual fail, as found within any other religion, as all religions have one thing in common, which is....."trying to connect with God, thru self effort".
So, a Believer who is doing this, the Legalist, has fallen from Grace.
Grace is the REALITY AND THE Understanding that God thru Christ saved you and Keeps You Saved.

GRACE, IS Salvation.
Grace, Is Jesus The Christ.
Grace, Is the Blood Atonement
Grace, Is Eternal Life.
Grace, Is Redemption, Justification.
Grace, Is Eternal Security

So how does not trusting in God & Christ to ...KEEP YOU SAVED.. insult God and The Blood of Jesus? Well, realize.....that someone has to get ALL the credit for Salvation, and Salvation is not just having your Sin forgiven.....Salvation brings you into Heaven after you die, or are raptured. Salvation makes you an "Heir of God and a Joint Heir of Christ".. Salvation, "seated you in Heavenly places RIGHT NOW", Salvation has made you "bone of Jesus bone, and flesh of Jesus Flesh", Salvation has put you "IN Christ", Salvation has "translated you from darkness to Light, made you a Child of the Light", Salvation has given you "Eternal Life"", and Salvation has recreated your new Identity "in Christ" so that "As Jesus IS in this WORLD....right now...so are all the Born again", as "all things have become NEW", and that is including YOU, if you are born again. You're new ID is "In Christ"...Colossians 2:10, "Complete in God & Christ", and GOD expects you to see yourself as HE sees you, as these scriptures just showed you.

So, all that is some of what salvation did for you, and so who gets all the Credit for making all this happen for you and to you, and that includes getting you into Heaven thru Rapture or death?,?
A.) God and Christ.
B.) Not you.
So, its insults Both of them, when a person sets that aside (Falls from Grace) as ALL THAT IS GRACE..and starts pursuing works, commandment keeping, confession of sin, enduring to the end, Holding unto your faith", as your reason- means of, in your Legalist's mindset = Making your self right with God (self righteousness) to keep yourself saved.
This insults God and the Blood of Christ when you do this...when you stop trusting God thru Christ to KEEP YOU SAVED, and you start believing you can LOSE IT, then start doing all sorts of works, to try to keep yourself saved.
So, if you believe you can lose your salvation, then this means you are a Legalist who has turned-fallen from Grace, turned from trusting God to keep you saved, and in doing so you are now insulting God by trying to keep yourself saved.

Now here is the verse that a Legalist refuses to believe, and by not believing it, they turn to works and worry and trying to stay saved by whatever means they can keep doing, and doing, and would try to convince you that you need to be doing, also, to "stay saved".

Here is the verse.:
Philippians 1:6. " BEING CONFIDENT OF THIS (FAITH) = God who began your Salvation IN YOU< will be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE IT".

And that is not you, if you are a Legalist.
And if you believe you can lose your Salvation, then you are refusing to believe this verse and trust "God who is faithful to complete your Salvation", and by your turning to your "self salvation" attempts, thru all that you are doing to try to accomplish it for yourself, you are insulting the very God and Christ that you say you are following.
STOP !!
And you are doing this because you have Fallen From Grace, and you are taking the FULL Credit for Salvation away from God and the Blood and Christ, by refusing to BELIEVE That God will complete your Salvation.....Keep You Saved .

So, that is Legalism. Its the mental trap that creates a Circular belief system inside the mind that causes you to BELIEVE that you can lose your Salvation. A Legalist then starts trying to resolve this, by works and effort.. And THIS BEHAVIOR and Belief system take over and denies God full credit due for your Salvation,....... = by trying to finish your Salvation, when in fact, its already finished on the Cross, and will be completed by God, and is given as a GIFT to the World.

So, Legalist, you are to live holy, and abstain from the appearance of evil, and you are present your body and life as a living sacrifice to the One who bought you with a Bloody price, and you are to always, be doing this. That is your Christian Discipleship... Thats on you.
But you are to never set Grace aside, and the Blood Atonement aside, and try to keep yourself saved.. As you can't.......as only God can do this for you, thru Christ, and did.

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Yes, Jesus paid it all regarding our salvation.   As you mentioned at the end of your post, there is discipleship or walking with Jesus in our daily lives....however, Jesus saves us and we are secure in Him!

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The life that is reliant upon Christ's perfect Life as a covering of their own are set free to show love back to God by obedience to His Word... 
Receiving that which I could never repay issues love toward God and the things of God...
 

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On 4/18/2019 at 1:41 PM, Behold said:

So, in this Thread, which is the sister Thread regarding the one i wrote to you yesterday, ...

Hey, just an FYI: When you copy and paste, right click in the area where you want to paste and rather than click "paste", click "paste as plain text". It will take on the default format of the area in which you are pasting. It makes the post look more "natural".  (I sometimes produce the text in MS Word and then past it in the browser, and use this method).

Regarding the proof texts for your position, Hebrews is RIFE with it. It is the "FOLKS, SNAP OUT OF IT. IT'S FAITH, NOT WORKS!" book for me. Though the author is not Paul.

I like to say it this way: If you think you are not being good enough to be saved, you're doing it wrong. I compare being a citizen of eternity to being a citizen of the US. The only way to lose your citizenship is to renounce it. Even inmates on death row are still citizens, if they were citizens before their conviction.

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First, the OP correctly states that the word legalism is not in the Bible, and then goes on telling us what legalism supposedly is.  No, Paul was not coming against legalism, as he never mentions it, and he doesn't teach OSAS.  For that reason, nothing written in the OP matters

 

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2 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

First, the OP correctly states that the word legalism is not in the Bible, and then goes on telling us what legalism supposedly is.  No, Paul was not coming against legalism, as he never mentions it, and he doesn't teach OSAS.  For that reason, nothing written in the OP matters

 

Then perhaps you explain this very clear meaning

Titus 3:4-8

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
KJV
but before you do KNOW you can never put works with salvation or the keeping of such for then it simply would be salvation by works...
 

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17 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Then perhaps you explain this very clear meaning

Titus 3:4-8

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
KJV
but before you do KNOW you can never put works with salvation or the keeping of such for then it simply would be salvation by works...
 

Everyone is saved by grace because a single sin requires death, and only the blood of Jesus can wash away sins.  It requires grace to be saved even doing our best.  It requires grace to be forgiven when you confess your sins.  None of this shows OSAS or  mentions legalism.

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2 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

Everyone is saved by grace because a single sin requires death, and only the blood of Jesus can wash away sins.  It requires grace to be saved even doing our best.  It requires grace to be forgiven when you confess your sins.  None of this shows OSAS or  mentions legalism.

Well then if it isn't works to save us it cannot be works that take it away... and this is clearly understood by this

1 John 2:19

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
KJV

and again the Word of God rest upon His finishing the work He has began in us

Heb 12:2

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
KJV


Here is a good treatise on this https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/osas-and-hebrews-10/ 

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3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Well then if it isn't works to save us it cannot be works that take it away... and this is clearly understood by this

1 John 2:19

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
KJV

and again the Word of God rest upon His finishing the work He has began in us

Heb 12:2

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
KJV


Here is a good treatise on this https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/osas-and-hebrews-10/ 

And James says faith without works is dead.

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6 hours ago, Still Alive said:

Hey, just an FYI: When you copy and paste, right click in the area where you want to paste and rather than click "paste", click "paste as plain text". It will take on the default format of the area in which you are pasting. It makes the post look more "natural".  (I sometimes produce the text in MS Word and then past it in the browser, and use this method).

Regarding the proof texts for your position, Hebrews is RIFE with it. It is the "FOLKS, SNAP OUT OF IT. IT'S FAITH, NOT WORKS!" book for me. Though the author is not Paul.

I like to say it this way: If you think you are not being good enough to be saved, you're doing it wrong. I compare being a citizen of eternity to being a citizen of the US. The only way to lose your citizenship is to renounce it. Even inmates on death row are still citizens, if they were citizens before their conviction.

Yes, thank you.

Also, if you as i do,  (sometimes) write a Thread, say in Gmail, then bring it here as a paste, then when you paste it......at the very bottom of the page, it will ask you if you want to post it as plain text, or not.

And then....Its interesting that you are more then likely .. when talking about Hebrews, ........... are beyond chapter 8, and into 9 where Christ is being given the credit for it all. 

The Legalist, for some reason, has their "Hebrews" paper-clipped so that it opens to Chapters 4....6...and 10, as this is where Legalists who are trying to save themselves  keep reading a verse that isn't directed at the "Church" that says..."if we sin willfully, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin"... And that is absolutely the truth.....As if a person who is NOT SAVED willfully reject Christs, when this Apostle is preaching the Gospel to them....then Christ's Blood is absolutely not going to be a sacrifice for our sin".    Not now, or in eternity.

Our NT tells us to "study to show ourselves approved unto God", and the result of this, over time, is "rightly divide the word".   And some things are pretty easy to rightly divide........Like....God saved us and will keep us saved.... which is "justification by Faith".. And then there is this one....... When we are wanting to know which book in the NT contains the most "sound doctrine" and "church doctrine", then we go immediately to anything Paul wrote, as He is the one who was in charge of giving it to us.  And another way you would recognize that a particular epistle is NOT a book in the NT where you want to go to get your church doctrine,  is to simply notice if the book is addressed to the Body of Christ, the Church .. OR NOT.....   And in the case of the epistle to the HEBREWS (unsaved Jews) we see this letter was not address to the church, so we have to be careful when we read it, so that we dont misapply what is not meant for a believer as ether the point of the verse, or doctrine in general...      The Legalist has not understood that "HEBREWS" ARE NOT  SAVED BORN AGAIN Christians, so, when they read Hebrews, they connect dots, theologically, that dont add up, which creates about 90% of the heresy they teach......all taken from Chapters 4...6....10.

 

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