Ogner Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2019 They really happy that they were able to kill Jesus. And they are unhappy because He rose from the dead. They want to kill Him again but they can't. Nevertheless they can kill us. Our deaths and our injuries mean celebration to them! If we died, they will gloat over us and will celebrate by sending each other gifts. "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell on the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelled on the earth." (Rev.11:7-10) They made us suffer ... and suffer ... and suffer... because of Jesus. Brothers, they already make our lives miserable. But does that make sense? How can anyone want to live like that? We don't want to die. And we can't live like that But we don't have a choice, because: - they can and want to kill us because of God - we can't stop loving God All we can do is pray: “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” ' Revelation 6:9-10 Does God have a choice? Is this really the right thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,224 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,647 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2019 Read the book of Job again. Who are we to question our Creator and Redeemer? Since life is not worth living without Him, I must endure the testing and refining of my faith. It should be making me more like Jesus as I identify with His sufferings. Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 950 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,532 Content Per Day: 5.02 Reputation: 9,029 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Ogner, it is difficult for me to relate to what someone, any Christian at the Ukraine may feel regarding suffering and the joy felt by one's enemies. All I can do is relate to the Psalmist David as He wrote what was inspired of God to write; The Lord Is My Shepherd A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters.[a] He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy[e] shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever. Psalms 24, 25, 26 , 27, and 28 seem t me to make for a fullness of thought on the subject. May God bless you as you sojourn like all Christians do for we are in this world but not of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Willa said: Read the book of Job again. Who are we to question our Creator and Redeemer? Since life is not worth living without Him, I must endure the testing and refining of my faith. It should be making me more like Jesus as I identify with His sufferings. Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: Do you believe that God plotted with satan? Furthermore, do you believe that God let satan kill children of Job in order to test his faith in Him? In Jn.3:16 says, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. In book of Job says that God let satan kill children of Job. Does this sound like the actions of a loving God? It doesn't cause cognitive dissonance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,224 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,647 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2019 It tells me that I can always trust in the Living God. Even Job said "I know that my Redeemer lives and on earth shall stand" looking to the coming of the Messiah. Who are we to question our Creator, let alone accuse Him? Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Only he would bring an accusation against the Living God. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Ogner, it is difficult for me to relate to what someone, any Christian at the Ukraine may feel regarding suffering and the joy felt by one's enemies. All I can do is relate to the Psalmist David as He wrote what was inspired of God to write; The Lord Is My Shepherd A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters.[a] He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy[e] shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever. Psalms 24, 25, 26 , 27, and 28 seem t me to make for a fullness of thought on the subject. May God bless you as you sojourn like all Christians do for we are in this world but not of it. David was a great example to follow. He said, "Morning by morning will I destroy all the wicked of the land; To cut off all the workers of iniquity from the city of Jehovah." (Ps.101:8) He didn't allow anyone to mock him. You know, in the old days, the wicked were afraid of the righteous, now it's the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted April 20, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.89 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Willa said: It tells me that I can always trust in the Living God. Even Job said "I know that my Redeemer lives and on earth shall stand" looking to the coming of the Messiah. Who are we to question our Creator, let alone accuse Him? Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Only he would bring an accusation against the Living God. I am not smart enough to be God’s critic.Some think they are .They must be patient .....they will all get a chance to tell Him to His face someday.....They can set Him straight and reveal how “ they” would have ran things 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 20, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Ogner said: They really happy that they were able to kill Jesus. And they are unhappy because He rose from the dead. They want to kill Him again but they can't. Nevertheless they can kill us. Our deaths and our injuries mean celebration to them! If we died, they will gloat over us and will celebrate by sending each other gifts. "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell on the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelled on the earth." (Rev.11:7-10) They made us suffer ... and suffer ... and suffer... because of Jesus. Brothers, they already make our lives miserable. But does that make sense? How can anyone want to live like that? We don't want to die. And we can't live like that But we don't have a choice, because: - they can and want to kill us because of God - we can't stop loving God All we can do is pray: “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” ' Revelation 6:9-10 Does God have a choice? Is this really the right thing to do? Who is they? John 15:18-19 If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 20, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Willa said: It tells me that I can always trust in the Living God. Even Job said "I know that my Redeemer lives and on earth shall stand" looking to the coming of the Messiah. Who are we to question our Creator, let alone accuse Him? Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Only he would bring an accusation against the Living God. What makes you feel that it's God fault? What makes you think that should accuse Him for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 20, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I am not smart enough to be God’s critic.Some think they are .They must be patient .....they will all get a chance to tell Him to His face someday.....They can set Him straight and reveal how “ they” would have ran things What makes you think that should criticise God for it? They do such horrible things. Whey are you making God responsible for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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