Ogner Posted April 20, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, pinacled said: Consider first who the messenger was, that told iyov(job of the loss. Here's another example. Abraham thought about killing his own son and was willing to kill his own son because God told him to do it. But God does not let Abraham kill Isaac. In book of Job says that God lets satan kill all children of Job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 21, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 20 hours ago, pinacled said: God gives us a spirit of power, love, and, self control" Would like to have a boiled egg today? I'd like God to judge people by the standard they choose to show me. Without love, mercy and justice... As He promised to do. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:1-2 NIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 21, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, Dove said: Read this Bible verse again then take time to consider the meaning of it. You might learn a thing or two. Read this Bible verse again then take time to consider the meaning of it. You might learn a thing or two. Judgement. One of the most misunderstood things about Christianity, and the number one reason the modern churches are falling from grace; refusing to help the brothers and sisters turn from sinful ways. Jesus does not say do not judge. Jesus tells us how to judge. More generally Jesus say, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. If you do not judge others, your heavenly Father will not be judge between you and your abuser. When people take a neutral stand between you and your abuser, they are in effect abandoning you. If you do not judge others, and you will not be judged. And that's bad. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted April 22, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,644 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,831 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2019 It tells me there is something bigger than death going on here. The stakes are high. Higher than most realize. And God knows who will and who will not believe in him. And those who believe in him who suffer in this life has a greater reward in the next life than we who skate by. We don't make up the rules. We don't determine what is fair. We should be trying to get everyone saved, or at least witnessed to. Here's an irony for you (the O.P.) God's plan to give mankind choice (the very essence of fairness in logical thinking) is what most unbelievers / gripers decry as being unfair. We only have ourselves to thank for the messes we are in. Thank God for sparing us what we all deserve... in fairness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted April 22, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2019 Paul said we are to judge other Christians and God will judge those in the world,the unsaved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted April 22, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,829 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,756 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 11:51 AM, Ogner said: They really happy that they were able to kill Jesus. And they are unhappy because He rose from the dead. They want to kill Him again but they can't. Nevertheless they can kill us. Our deaths and our injuries mean celebration to them! If we died, they will gloat over us and will celebrate by sending each other gifts. "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell on the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelled on the earth." (Rev.11:7-10) They made us suffer ... and suffer ... and suffer... because of Jesus. Brothers, they already make our lives miserable. But does that make sense? How can anyone want to live like that? We don't want to die. And we can't live like that But we don't have a choice, because: - they can and want to kill us because of God - we can't stop loving God All we can do is pray: “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” ' Revelation 6:9-10 Does God have a choice? Is this really the right thing to do? Who are those who seek to kill you... You make it sound that are the same people who kill Jesus... And who killed Jesus... It is not clear to me, what is your suggestive message , is it some spiritual power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted April 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2019 Ogner, Job received in the end double of what he lost. Except children. He only received the same number. Why? Because he would see his dead children again. All was lost, but God saved his children who went to be with Him. Job is a devastating yet glorious true story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 23, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/22/2019 at 8:54 AM, Your closest friendnt said: Who are those who seek to kill you... You make it sound that are the same people who kill Jesus... And who killed Jesus... It is not clear to me, what is your suggestive message , is it some spiritual power... They are children of satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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