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fine, Leyla .. have it your way .. I have told you what is the truth about the ONE AND ONLY GOD and you just wish to keep scrutinising it .. hope you find the truth before you die and if I had the serious health condition you say you have, I would be seeking God, not denying Him as you are doing .. when Jesus taught He did so in parables and He said He did so for those who saw with their eyes but did not perceive (blind) and those who heard with their ears but did not perceive (deaf) and who did not understand and accept .. that is exactly what you have been doing and it will NEVER bring you to God .. He is not a specimen under a microscope or subjected to lab tests to determine His DNA and other things .. HE IS GOD AND ONLY THOSE WHO "BELIEVE IN FAITH" WILL EVER KNOW HIM .. at this point, you do not know Him, obviously, and you never will IF you continue to subject Him to "human tests done by humans" .. all the other religions you quoted are ALL MAN-MADE and the gods/goddesses within them are ALL MAN-MADE .. Muhammad was a man and he created Allah who had been the man-made moon god Alilah and only one of 360 gods/goddesses .. so all are false gods/goddesses "created by man" but "God is God created by no one but Who created man" .. God is Creator and man is mere creation .. but from the beginning of time, some of mankind chose to do their own thing and created their own gods/goddesses .. unless said persons repented and turned to the ONE and ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD, we know where they are .. keep up the futile activity you are doing and never repent and turn to the ONE and ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD and you will meet those people in the lake of fire as the unbeliever that you are and will remain, for God is not going to prove Himself to you .. IF you seek Him in His Holy Spirit inspired Word and Truth, you will find Him and IF you build your own ever growing ever maturing personal intimate relationship with Him, He will reveal Himself to you .. He does not have to and will not prove Himself worthy of you .. you need to prove yourself worthy of Him and what you are doing will never accomplish this .. BELIEVE IN FAITH and KNOWLEDGE will come in God's Timing and Way .. He owes us nothing; we owe Him everything .. quite frankly, Leyla, I no longer believe you left Islam and became Christian as you are not Christian and I no longer believe you are as sick as you claim and I no longer believe you are 14 .. I no longer believe anything you said .. what I do believe is you are wasting your time, energy, effort trying to disprove the proven .. proven by faith which rises above all and sees and hears and perceives aka understands what those relying solely on very limited and very fallible insights of mere man WILL NEVER EVER KNOW AND UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE .. save yourself aka turn to God .. or lose yourself aka turn to man and deny God .. your choice, your sad consequence ..  

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42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:

 I have told you what is the truth about the ONE AND ONLY GOD and you just wish to keep scrutinising it

Again, what makes you assume that there is only one God and why do you assume that its your God, the God of the bible?

 

42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:

 if I had the serious health condition you say you have, I would be seeking God, not denying Him as you are doing

Mine or your health condition, have no influence over which things are true and which are false. How do you know that I should seek Jesus and not Allah or Wischnu or Zeus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster?

42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:

HE IS GOD AND ONLY THOSE WHO "BELIEVE IN FAITH" WILL EVER KNOW HIM

Mohammad is a prophet only to those who have faith and believe in him. Do you see how little value claims like this have?

 

42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:

all the other religions you quoted are ALL MAN-MADE and the gods/goddesses within them are ALL MAN-MADE .. Muhammad was a man and he created Allah

What method did you use to determine what religions are manmade? Did you use the same method on christianity? How did you determine that christianity is true? How did you determine that mohammad was a simple human and jesus the son of god?

 

42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:

keep up the futile activity you are doing and never repent and turn to the ONE and ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD and you will meet those people in the lake of fire as the unbeliever that you are and will remain, for God is not going to prove Himself to you ..

How dare you to devalue innocent humans to a point where you can even accept that they will experience punishment in an eternal fire in hell. How can you be so cruel and nonloving to humans? Im not morally crooked enough to do that. I have more respect for my cat, than you have to some humans

 

42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:

Leyla, I no longer believe you left Islam and became Christian as you are not Christian and I no longer believe you are as sick as you claim and I no longer believe you are 14 .. I no longer believe anything you said .. what I do believe is you are wasting your time, energy, effort trying to disprove the proven .. proven by faith which rises above all and sees and hears and perceives aka understands what those relying solely on very limited and very fallible insights of mere man WILL NEVER EVER KNOW AND UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE .. save yourself aka turn to God .. or lose yourself aka turn to man and deny God .. your choice, your sad consequence ..  

I dont care about what you believe, but its time to stop following me on every thread, if the only thing you want to do, is saying bad things about me. If you ever decide to participate in a productive conversation then go ahead. However if you only aim to say bad things or to make claims without providing evidence, then atleast stop mentioning my name everytime you do that.

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fine, Leyla .. have it your way .. I have told you what is the truth about the ONE AND ONLY GOD and you just wish to keep scrutinising it .. hope you find the truth before you die and if I had the serious health condition you say you have, I would be seeking God, not denying Him as you are doing .. when Jesus taught He did so in parables and He said He did so for those who saw with their eyes but did not perceive (blind) and those who heard with their ears but did not perceive (deaf) and who did not understand and accept .. that is exactly what you have been doing and it will NEVER bring you to God .. He is not a specimen under a microscope or subjected to lab tests to determine His DNA and other things .. HE IS GOD AND ONLY THOSE WHO "BELIEVE IN FAITH" WILL EVER KNOW HIM .. at this point, you do not know Him, obviously, and you never will IF you continue to subject Him to "human tests done by humans" .. all the other religions you quoted are ALL MAN-MADE and the gods/goddesses within them are ALL MAN-MADE .. Muhammad was a man and he created Allah who had been the man-made moon god Alilah and only one of 360 gods/goddesses .. so all are false gods/goddesses "created by man" but "God is God created by no one but Who created man" .. God is Creator and man is mere creation .. but from the beginning of time, some of mankind chose to do their own thing and created their own gods/goddesses .. unless said persons repented and turned to the ONE and ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD, we know where they are .. keep up the futile activity you are doing and never repent and turn to the ONE and ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD and you will meet those people in the lake of fire as the unbeliever that you are and will remain, for God is not going to prove Himself to you .. IF you seek Him in His Holy Spirit inspired Word and Truth, you will find Him and IF you build your own ever growing ever maturing personal intimate relationship with Him, He will reveal Himself to you .. He does not have to and will not prove Himself worthy of you .. you need to prove yourself worthy of Him and what you are doing will never accomplish this .. BELIEVE IN FAITH and KNOWLEDGE will come in God's Timing and Way .. He owes us nothing; we owe Him everything .. quite frankly, Leyla, I no longer believe you left Islam and became Christian as you are not Christian and I no longer believe you are as sick as you claim and I no longer believe you are 14 .. I no longer believe anything you said .. what I do believe is you are wasting your time, energy, effort trying to disprove the proven .. proven by faith which rises above all and sees and hears and perceives aka understands what those relying solely on very limited and very fallible insights of mere man WILL NEVER EVER KNOW AND UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE .. save yourself aka turn to God .. or lose yourself aka turn to man and deny God .. your choice, your sad consequence ..  

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weird .. thought that last post was submitted but found it sitting here .. anyway, I am not sure if you are just now responding to this post or to an old one about the flood .. but I REALLY NO LONGER CARE .. others may still believe you but I do not about your age, your health, or your claim to being Christian .. so, waste your life with your futile so-called research, if that is what you wish to do .. but I am going to try very hard now to do what God's Word says: 1. do not fellowship with nonbelievers and 2. wipe the sand from your sandals and walk away .. I really did try with you, Leyla, in posts and in our pm's and I did believe you before but I no longer do .. I honestly see you as a troll and a player who is deceiving yourself and, unfortunately, maybe others who have put their trust in you .. so, I shall sincerely try to not respond anymore as you accept nothing I say and not because you know it to be wrong (as you have no such knowledge) but because you don't wish to accept the truth .. such is not what your agenda is .. so, have at it, Leyla .. I can't say God bless to you but I do hope God does wake you up before  it's too late but, then again, it is not up to God to wake us up .. that is up to us .. 'bye, Leyla .. oh, I just noticed my post is in the flood post but it was meant to be about proving God's existence .. doesn't matter, anyway, as what I have said fits in either forum post ..  

 

 

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On 5/10/2019 at 9:17 PM, Leyla said:

What method can we use, to determine what is a real relationship with God and what is not? To discover what is true and what is false

   I wish I could answer that in a way that was perfectly comprehensible to the modern, scientific mind.

   When God reveals His Holy Spirit to someone, there's no mistaking it, and their life is never the same again.

   But until that happens, a person is blind (and I don't say that in a spirit of condescension towards others; I was blind until God opened my eyes, and it wasn't my efforts that brought that change to bear, but God's incredible mercy), and spiritual truths are foolishness to them.

   There were times in my life when I did all of the things a person is supposed to do to be born again (and I was genuine), and at the time I considered myself born again, but I didn't know God. There's a huge difference between a person being converted to Christianity (although they're certainly on the path to salvation), and a person being spiritually regenerated and actually having a relationship w/ God. (The Scriptures make it clear that for one to enter the Kingdom, they must know God, and not just nominally be a Christian.)

   We comprise a body, soul and spirit. Before a person truly comes to know God, they're dead, spiritually, and our spirit's the most important part of our psycho - physical complex. It's like they're 2 thirds of a full human being.

   When someone comes to know God, they're given new life, and their connection to God is restored (but they still have to pray for God to increase their spiritual discernment, as the enemy will always try to assault our faith and deceive/tempt us, and if we allow the enemy to disrupt that connection, he can [even after one comes to know God]).

   I was on the right path to be born again (during those times when I thought I was born of the Spirit, but wasn't), but I wasn't there yet. Like the parable of "the sower and the seed" talks about, I allowed the enemy to knock me off of the path before I could actually come to know God. But the seed was still there, waiting to blossom and flourish. God just had to purge all of the filth around it that was choking it, and He won't ever take away our right to chose, so that's usually a pretty lengthy process for most people (and I was no exception).

   But God recognized my attempts to come to Him, and He was always working to mould me in ways that'd bring me closer to Him.

   Usually, that meant I had to be purged, and my branches pruned, so that I'd bring forth more fruit. Unfortunately, we are quite stubborn, and oftentimes pain is the main thing that brings about the changes necessary for us to truly submit to God. And God is primarily concerned w/ saving our souls; the body is a lesser priority (although He does want us to be happy even in this life).

   If God had revealed Himself to me at any earlier point of my life, I wouldn't have been ready to fully submit, and live for Him; I'd have been lost forever (for, once one comes to a knowledge of Christ, if they become entangled again in the world, it would be better for that person to have never been born). I'd have gone back to my vomit, and I probably would've drowned in it (the enemy's attacks are much stronger when one's come to know God, because it's pointless for them [the demons] to continue to try to hide).

   God knew what I needed to learn, and His timing is perfect - He knows better than us. He knows us better than we know ourselves.

   Some rough ways to know who knows God: if something's from/of God, it won't violate God's Word, or love (I call those 'the 2 guideposts').

   If someone says they know God and they hate their brother/sister, they don't know God.

   And although some of the Scriptures can be a little difficult (especially if someone doesn't know God), there are certain core tenets of true Christianity; if those are violated, the person violating them doesn't know God:

   Yeshua/Jesus is the Son of God, and part of the Godhead; He came down, in the form of a man, and suffered and died for the sins of all human - kind (even though He was and is completely w/out sin); He then was resurrected from the dead, having conquered death and hell, and all who fully believe in Him (and all of us require this sacrifice of Christ, as we are all sinners and fall short of the mark), and what He did for us - and repent, and accept Him as their Lord and Savior - are washed clean of their sins, and will inherit eternal life; and, lastly, there is no other path to salvation.

   If a person knows God, they will produce good fruit, and their conversation will be holy.

   That's not to say that they'll never screw up, but they'll do so less and less, and they won't be in total bondage, like someone who doesn't know God. There'll be an obvious change in their lives; they will produce good fruit, and they'll have a strong desire to lead others to Christ.

   It's God giving them the ability to produce good fruit, though, not their own ability. The writings of Paul and James don't contradict each other. By grace and faith we are saved (lest any should boast), but if one knows God, their faith WILL produce good works.

   Many perceive a non - existent conflict between the writings of these 2 authors - a conflict shown by the phrase, "faith 'or' works." But there's no conflict. A good way to approach the relationship between the writings of these authors is shown by the phrase, "faith 'that' works," as faith without works isn't really faith at all (even though it's not our works that save us).

   I don't think it's a bad thing that you apply logic to the Word - I wish all scientists would study the Word (and I believe true science doesn't contradict God's Word, but confirms It). Our reason is a gift from God. But some things can only be spiritually discerned, so I encourage you to try to nourish your faith, and to really ask God to answer your questions in a way that makes sense to you.

   And, the closer we're living in accordance w/ God's will, and the more we believe He'll answer us, the better and sooner we'll hear His reply.

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I regard the flood narrative as a teaching tool, sort of like a large scale parable. There are other parables of this sort --- Job, Jonah and Ruth.

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I believe there is evidence for a large scale flood. Geologically speaking this can be seen in the PT boundary, late Permian and early Triassic. The accepted timeframes have many flaws, but geologists do see a large scale transgressive event there (oceans flooding into continental interiors), and a large scale regressive event (massive erosion when sea level suddenly drop). This PT boundary is known as the "great death", the largest known extinction event ever recorded.

This event was triggered by an event known as the Siberian Traps, the greatest ever volcanic event, when the fountains of the great deep burst forth covering much of Siberia with volcanic rock.  This triggered melting of the glaciers and ice caps which re-flooded continents which has earlier arisen when the ice sheets formed.

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On 6/18/2019 at 8:48 AM, Takoda said:

I regard the flood narrative as a teaching tool, sort of like a large scale parable. There are other parables of this sort --- Job, Jonah, and Ruth.

Oh, really? :45: 

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On 18 June 2019 at 4:48 PM, Takoda said:

I regard the flood narrative as a teaching tool, sort of like a large scale parable. There are other parables of this sort --- Job, Jonah and Ruth.

Yes everything miraculous is a teaching tool, from creation via Jesus resurrection to the 2nd coming. They all didn't happen.

 

Er if that is true just what is Christianity?

Is Paul correct in saying that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, literally and physically we have no forgiveness of sins?

If Jesus did rise from the dead, what is so hard to belief that God could do everything the bible says?

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Hi One,

we need you here on this board, because you do an important job exposing all the scientific falshood that creationists invoke sometimes!

I think it is God's wisdom that thoses people who said you cannot be a Christian are removed from the board by now?

 

It's just here that you stepped a little bit too far, I think.

On 4/29/2019 at 8:21 PM, one.opinion said:

There could also be intentional hyperbole present

Hyperbole - in the Bible?

You remember Volkswagen in the United States? These nice German cars... nevertheless they used hyperbole when it comes to emission values. The US government made them pay. Billions of dollars.

Why should the almighty God resort to such minor tactics that could as well be used by a German car manufacturer?

The Lord says “ ‘Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. Lev 19:35

On 4/29/2019 at 8:21 PM, one.opinion said:

When the physical evidence is so completely contrary to a truly global flood, then the truth of the Bible must be something other than a global flood.

Is that what we expect when a miracle is involved?

But thank you again for your input to this board.

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Hi Who Me

On 6/20/2019 at 10:52 AM, Who me said:

If Jesus did rise from the dead, what is so hard to belief that God could do everything the bible says?

great post.

 

Regards,

Thomas

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