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"Study to show thyself approved unto GOD", is the way God teaches you to "rightly divide the word of God".
So, here we go.

Lets do a bible study that "compares scripture with scripture".

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Let tart with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.
Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again.
Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 2nd Corinthians 3:11 and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, (not life) and the "stone" commandments are obviously the 10 Commandments.
So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament.

Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14.
And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law.
Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW".
This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST".
Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse...
2 Corinthians 5:21

Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross.
We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness."
Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"?
And who is Christ?......Isn't He God?
So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ.

And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us ..
Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as DEATH.  2 Corinthians 3:7 and are not gone.  2 Corinthians 3:11
This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2like this..

> through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law).
The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God, IF you are born again.
If you are not, then the law is still in effect, judging you as Lost - Unsaved, Damned, currently.  John 3:36


Understand that The law (10 commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you your sin and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God, till Christ redeems you from the "curse of the Law"... Galatians 3:13
That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness.
And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24
""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
So, as you can READ, the law-commandments is not given to save you, its given to show you YOUR NEED to be saved by the SAVIOR, Christ Jesus.
Understand?
And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".
The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness.
Understand?
Listen....its the law - 10 commandments -= that show you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition. > Its PURPOSE.
That is why God gave it to you.
The Law-10 commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION.
Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED.

Now, were the confusion often comes in , = regarding the Law-commandments and how Legalists misuse it against Grace.....

> A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved.
They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told.
So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them.
Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace".
The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
Understand?
Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
See it?
Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

Also...
A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc.
So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption.
We understand Galatians 3:24
We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
So, we don't.

Finally...
So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>??

Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved.
OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.

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On 5/2/2019 at 1:34 AM, Behold said:

"Study to show thyself approved unto GOD", is the way God teaches you to "rightly divide the word of God".
So, here we go.

Lets do a bible study that "compares scripture with scripture".

-----

Let tart with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.
Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again.
Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 2nd Corinthians 3:11 and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, (not life) and the "stone" commandments are obviously the 10 Commandments.
So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament.

Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14.
And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law.
Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW".
This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST".
Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse...
2 Corinthians 5:21

Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross.
We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness."
Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"?
And who is Christ?......Isn't He God?
So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ.

And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us ..
Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as DEATH.  2 Corinthians 3:7 and are not gone.  2 Corinthians 3:11
This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2like this..

> through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law).
The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God, IF you are born again.
If you are not, then the law is still in effect, judging you as Lost - Unsaved, Damned, currently.  John 3:36


Understand that The law (10 commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you your sin and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God, till Christ redeems you from the "curse of the Law"... Galatians 3:13
That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness.
And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24
""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
So, as you can READ, the law-commandments is not given to save you, its given to show you YOUR NEED to be saved by the SAVIOR, Christ Jesus.
Understand?
And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".
The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness.
Understand?
Listen....its the law - 10 commandments -= that show you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition. > Its PURPOSE.
That is why God gave it to you.
The Law-10 commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION.
Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED.

Now, were the confusion often comes in , = regarding the Law-commandments and how Legalists misuse it against Grace.....

> A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved.
They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told.
So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them.
Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace".
The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
Understand?
Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
See it?
Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

Also...
A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc.
So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption.
We understand Galatians 3:24
We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
So, we don't.

Finally...
So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>??

Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved.
OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.

Not want to argue or be rude but stating a Truth as it is . I did not get past the first line of your OP which says 'the law is abolished and both scriptures you quote say so ' . Please Sir...read them again, for you missed something vital...they mention 'the commandments of ORDINANCES/ WORKS /Rituals/sacrifices and Offerings (which were literal work) these were AGAINST us and Jesus/Yashua took these 'out of the way by sacrificing HIMself on the cross. THESE works contained in Moses law were abolished...NOT the 10 Commandments of God which GOD HIMSELF had previously separated from the works Deut 5v22.

GOD's 10 Commandments are eternal, spiritual, holy, just and good Rom 7...so says Paul. these teach a law of LOVE to God and Neighbour that can never be bad or harmful....in fact are what lead us to life eternal since they are 'THE WILL OF GOD '!....Jesus says we must do to enter  the Kingdom of God Mat 7 v21-23.   

( i will read all of your long post when i have time, thank you)

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34 minutes ago, Betha said:

 

GOD's 10 Commandments are eternal, spiritual, holy, just and good Rom 7...so says Paul. these teach a law of LOVE to God and Neighbour that can never be bad or harmful....in fact are what lead us to life eternal since they are 'THE WILL OF GOD '!....Jesus says we must do to enter  the Kingdom of God Mat 7 v21-23.   

( i will read all of your long post when i have time, thank you)

Betha,

The word "abolished"........ it has a meaning that Webster provides, but it also has NT meaning that is referring to, and explaining how Grace has replaced all laws and commandments, regarding SALVATION.

Remember that Jesus came to earth to save us.   And if the Law and Commandments could have done this, or could do this, then Jesus didnt need to go to the Cross.

The reality is, The law was given to show us our need for salvation,   and 10 commandments, are  also given to teach us about God's morality and also give us Lifestyle boundaries.

Legalism....what it does, is try to take the law and commandments, and make them a part of the Blood Atonement.

The math looks like this......The CROSS + me keeping the 10 commandments and the law...... = REDEMPTION.

So, that is not salvation.  Salvation is a Savior saving you.....and not using the law or the 10, but only using His Blood and a Cross.

And so, when a teacher teaches that the law is abolished.......or the 10.......they are not teaching that the law is bad, or that its not a moral compass.......but rather its abolished in the sense that Grace has become the Law for a Believer.

They are teaching that JESUS is the only way to be saved, and the law and the 10, are  NOT INVOLVED.

This is why our NT says that we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE"., after we are born again.

The law and the 10 were never given to us to save us....they were given to us to show us our need to be saved, and to point us to the CROSS, where we go for Salvation.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Betha said:

Not want to argue or be rude but stating a Truth as it is . I did not get past the first line of your OP which says 'the law is abolished and both scriptures you quote say so ' . Please Sir...read them again, for you missed something vital...they mention 'the commandments of ORDINANCES/ WORKS /Rituals/sacrifices and Offerings (which were literal work) these were AGAINST us and Jesus/Yashua took these 'out of the way by sacrificing HIMself on the cross. THESE works contained in Moses law were abolished...NOT the 10 Commandments of God which GOD HIMSELF had previously separated from the works Deut 5v22.

GOD's 10 Commandments are eternal, spiritual, holy, just and good Rom 7...so says Paul. these teach a law of LOVE to God and Neighbour that can never be bad or harmful....in fact are what lead us to life eternal since they are 'THE WILL OF GOD '!....Jesus says we must do to enter  the Kingdom of God Mat 7 v21-23.   

( i will read all of your long post when i have time, thank you)

the letter that killed was the curse or letter of divorce.

the generation that murdered our Lord had already committed spiriual adultery and sealed their fate by committing the unforgivable sin.

Which releases all that believe in The Lord from the bondage of their(that generations actions. 

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On 5/1/2019 at 7:34 PM, Behold said:

"Study to show thyself approved unto GOD", is the way God teaches you to "rightly divide the word of God".
So, here we go.

Lets do a bible study that "compares scripture with scripture".

-----

Let tart with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.
Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again.
Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 2nd Corinthians 3:11 and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, (not life) and the "stone" commandments are obviously the 10 Commandments.
So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament.

Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14.
And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law.
Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW".
This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST".
Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse...
2 Corinthians 5:21

Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross.
We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness."
Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"?
And who is Christ?......Isn't He God?
So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ.

And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us ..
Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as DEATH.  2 Corinthians 3:7 and are not gone.  2 Corinthians 3:11
This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2like this..

> through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law).
The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God, IF you are born again.
If you are not, then the law is still in effect, judging you as Lost - Unsaved, Damned, currently.  John 3:36


Understand that The law (10 commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you your sin and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God, till Christ redeems you from the "curse of the Law"... Galatians 3:13
That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness.
And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24
""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
So, as you can READ, the law-commandments is not given to save you, its given to show you YOUR NEED to be saved by the SAVIOR, Christ Jesus.
Understand?
And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".
The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness.
Understand?
Listen....its the law - 10 commandments -= that show you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition. > Its PURPOSE.
That is why God gave it to you.
The Law-10 commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION.
Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED.

Now, were the confusion often comes in , = regarding the Law-commandments and how Legalists misuse it against Grace.....

> A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved.
They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told.
So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them.
Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace".
The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
Understand?
Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
See it?
Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

Also...
A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc.
So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption.
We understand Galatians 3:24
We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
So, we don't.

Finally...
So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>??

Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved.
OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.

Are you attempting to sow strife?

Ephesians 2 says nothing near anything what you have stated. You cited a number of letters and falsely attributed a different meaning to what is Written there in.

 

Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

 

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Are you attempting to sow strife?

Ephesians 2 says nothing near anything what you have stated. You cited a number of letters and falsely attributed a different meaning to what is Written there in.

 

 

 

Let me explain how you can make your case honestly.  What you do, is list and try to prove.   Which you didn't do..   You just said i did something that you didnt even actually quote.....and so,  you didnt explain the quote so that people here, and me, could begin to understand what you are trying to say.

This is the reality.

Also, "Grace vs the 10 Commandments", my Thread, is not designed to create "strife", it is simply a bible study that explains why Grace is God provision for Salvation, and why the 10 Commandments are not.

This is simple basic NT Pauline Theology.

Nothing new, just something interesting that isn't talked about a lot on this forum.

 

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2 hours ago, Behold said:

Let me explain how you can make your case honestly.  What you do, is list and try to prove.   Which you didn't do..   You just said i did something that you didnt even actually quote.....and so,  you didnt explain the quote so that people here, and me, could begin to understand what you are trying to say.

This is the reality.

Also, "Grace vs the 10 Commandments", my Thread, is not designed to create "strife", it is simply a bible study that explains why Grace is God provision for Salvation, and why the 10 Commandments are not.

This is simple basic NT Pauline Theology.

Nothing new, just something interesting that isn't talked about a lot on this forum.

 

Yeshua is the only provision for salvation. It is His name.

Grace or favor is the recognition of His sacrifice.

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36 minutes ago, pinacled said:

Yeshua is the only provision for salvation. It is His name.

Grace or favor is the recognition of His sacrifice.

 

The recognition of His Sacrifice is an acknowledge of reality .

Grace is unmerited favor given to those that believe the Gospel.

You can’t just take any word and give it a meaning .Words have explicit meaning and should be used accordingly.

The Word “ Gospel” has been more abused in this manner than almost any other word.Anything good from the Bible somebody out there says is the Gospel.THE GOSPEL that saves us in this Age of Grace is specific.... itvis 1Cor15:1-4.It is the one thing for sure that we have been told that we  will be asked about .....it would be wise to brush up on it just a little...

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8 hours ago, pinacled said:

Are you attempting to sow strife?

Ephesians 2 says nothing near anything what you have stated. You cited a number of letters and falsely attributed a different meaning to what is Written there in.

 

Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

 

I agree...we should all read EPH 2 much more carefully...which says we are to be REconciled unto GOD. It does not say we are to be reconciled to a Religion.....not even Christianity, for they are not walking in the way of GOD, they are only using His name while going their own way. So let us RELY on GOD/Yashua for EXACT leadership and direction ! Let us 'put aside all the human beliefs and religions that cause division  and HEAR/OBEY GOD/JESUS ONLY and be 'built up IN HIM !

 

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4 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

The recognition of His Sacrifice is an acknowledge of reality .

Grace is unmerited favor given to those that believe the Gospel.

You can’t just take any word and give it a meaning .Words have explicit meaning and should be used accordingly.

The Word “ Gospel” has been more abused in this manner than almost any other word.Anything good from the Bible somebody out there says is the Gospel.THE GOSPEL that saves us in this Age of Grace is specific.... itvis 1Cor15:1-4.It is the one thing for sure that we have been told that we  will be asked about .....it would be wise to brush up on it just a little...

1 Cor 15v1-4....brilliant 'starting point to get to the truth. What does it say ? that all was done ACCORDING to SCRIPTURE.....no personal interpretation.

So let us ask ourself if we believe Jesus/Yashua was resurrected according to scripture and HOW do we know that for SURE ? mostly people believe what has been generally taught in christian churches from way back....NOT because  they have actually searched the scriptures for themselves (as Bereans did). No, we Christian Babes have just believed what we have been told....and I for one was happy with the 'good friday--easter sunday resurrection for 50 years of my life - ignorantly believing a LIE.

There is much much more to reveal but will leave it there for the moment. What do you think ? 

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