JohnD Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 Even though they claim it is an entirely different argument, those who oppose Once Saved Always Saved are legalists trying to impose unbiblical qualifications that they determine are manditory for salvation... for purposes of control over others, through fearmongering and keeping believers from their individual priesthood / ministry / calling / spiritual gifts. All legalists have this at heart (even if not in mind) imposing the Law of Moses on the Grace of Christ. Paul was chiefest in opposing this and he was a former Pharisee of Pharisees. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 Because trusting Jesus for salvation, continued forgiveness, for grace to live each day seems to be an impossible faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,018 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,302 Content Per Day: 1.79 Reputation: 16,358 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 I don't understand their fierce devotion. Our devotion should keep Jesus Christ utmost in our hearts and minds....that He alone is our Salvation. Give the glory to God, not our works. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, Sonshine☀️ said: Enough is enough. Shalom Sonshine, Thank you for agreeing. I'm glad someone out there does! Although, I predict we'll see more "OSAS vs Legalism" posts before the week is out. Yawn... Love & Shalom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,423 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Who me said: Because trusting Jesus for salvation, continued forgiveness, for grace to live each day seems to be an impossible faith. But then, each of us are not from cookie cutters. We all have diverse lives and different situations. Some live in mansions and others live on the sidewalk. What does God judge ?. Is it not the heart and what do we judge ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 We often judge by behaviour. Whether a person conforms to our standards or our groups standards. As you say we're not stamped from the same mould, but we are tainted by the same sin and saved by the same saviour. We are also under attack from the same enemy who like any fisherman uses what ever bait gets the most catches and legalism is ever so appealing as it minimises the need for a saviour and gives us responcibility. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,423 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, Who me said: We often judge by behaviour. Whether a person conforms to our standards or our groups standards. As you say we're not stamped from the same mould, but we are tainted by the same sin and saved by the same saviour. We are also under attack from the same enemy who like any fisherman uses what ever bait gets the most catches and legalism is ever so appealing as it minimises the need for a saviour and gives us responcibility. Very well said and I acknowledge that. How then when a man lust with is eyes is he judged. He can undress and have imaginations that are filthy and does not lay a hand. Still it is a crime. Oh well, We all do our own examinations also the same way and many times even without a conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 This is probably the 5th thread going that says anyone rejecting OSAS is a legalist. This won't change anyone's mind. It is a way of attacking people as a group to avoid getting in trouble for a personal attack. If this was said towards one person, it would be a personal attack, but just cover everyone in one post and all is well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, warrior12 said: Very well said and I acknowledge that. How then when a man lust with is eyes is he judged. He can undress and have imaginations that are filthy and does not lay a hand. Still it is a crime. Oh well, We all do our own examinations also the same way and many times even without a conversation. He or she judges themselves and their need to seek forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted May 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: This is probably the 5th thread going that says anyone rejecting OSAS is a legalist. This won't change anyone's mind. It is a way of attacking people as a group to avoid getting in trouble for a personal attack. If this was said towards one person, it would be a personal attack, but just cover everyone in one post and all is well. So long as Christians are trusting Jesus for salvation, their theology is largely irrelevent. We are saved by faith/trust in Jesus and sustained by Jesus, but we are also challenged to show our love for Jesus by our obedience and in our failures to come back to him for forgiveness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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