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On 5/6/2019 at 4:47 PM, Daniel Marsh said:

What is the most interesting argument you used with Jehovah's Witnesses or Latter day Saints?

I don't talk to too many LDS. They kind of scare me, to  tell the truth

the JWs at least are not terribly scary LOL

but they believe there is no eternal hell and i find that illogical .. among other things. It makes no sense that people can do evil all their lives, never repent, die unrepentant and .. what? there is no "icky" place for them in the next life? they don't have to pay the consequences of their actions? no way. Tehy say you just die.. "hell is the common grave"  they say

right

then what did Jesus come to save us from? Why would he go through all that he went through if there no hell, which by the way, Jesus spoke of "eternal punishment" (sounds pretty Hell-like to me) 

And you know.. God often makes no sense to us humans. So we can't just worship logic or anything.. However, on the other hand, God did give us a BRAIN and expects us to use it.. Said brain will fail when one is trying to comprehend certain things about God, but you know.. for the most part, well, put it this way: I have found from living the Word (to the best of my ability) that the Word is quite logical.. um... most of the time.. When I don't understand.. well, maybe i don't need to understand what all God is doing or thinking. :) I doubt we are judged by what we fully understand or not?

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There is a book a professor of mine used in one of my classes years ago that has just been revised and updated that I found the best I have ever read in its original form. I highly recommend it to any Christian to devour, study, hylight, and take notes from before dealing with any of the Cults! It's The Kingdom of the Cults: The Definitive Work on the Subjectby Walter Martin. You will find it an invaluable help!

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On 5/6/2019 at 4:47 PM, Daniel Marsh said:

What is the most interesting argument you used with Jehovah's Witnesses or Latter day Saints?

I did a Hell study with JW. They kept coming back wanting to do bible studied first their was 2 women then 3. I pulled out the strongs concordance and hallie commentary started checking their bible and what they were reading against the srtongs. They started giving me verses and asking what strongs base word for hell/ sheol was. They realized that alot was translated sheol that should not be. They litterly saw their translation and sheol doctrin dissolve in front of their eyes. They weren't aloud to come to my house any more.  One girl Shannon kept coming any way and we had great studies she saw Michael isnt Jesus, that he was was with God and the Word was God not a god.  Realized their choosing their own 144,000 from themselves was wrong. We debunked the watch tower every time they got a new one. They really shunned her to try to control her. Her mom even shunned her, then she turned her mom in for sneaking cigarettes, so the church shuned her mom. We kept praying and standing, her whole family eventually left/ was shunned by JW and became christians.

I'm still marked on there "do not vist" list and it was 20 years ago.. I saw 2 men with watch towers walking to my neighbors a few months ago. Asked them if they could help unload hay, I had a trailer with 100 bales. They always say they just want to be of service. They said they had their good cloths on so they couldn't and started walking faster. Guess that was kinda mean of me, so I repented. 

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I testified to LDS how God had changed my life and my husband's.  They have nothing like that.  They boast about what their church has done for them.  I have never heard once say that God has changed their lives.  

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Once when the Jws came and asked what one thing I would wish for for the world, I told them for everyone would be filled with the Holy Spirit of God.  She said she supposed that would solve everything; but she returned the next week with a hardened old biddy who did her best to be obnoxious so I would ask her to leave so she would get a brownie button.  I had to pick up my son from school and did ask her to leave.  Rats!

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9 hours ago, Willa said:

Once when the Jws came and asked what one thing I would wish for for the world, I told them for everyone would be filled with the Holy Spirit of God.  She said she supposed that would solve everything; but she returned the next week with a hardened old biddy who did her best to be obnoxious so I would ask her to leave so she would get a brownie button.  I had to pick up my son from school and did ask her to leave.  Rats!

That was like the 3rd lady that started coming, She really knew the JW doctrin and the propiganda behind the excuses for the choices they made for their translation . But it became really obvious that the translation was manipulated to support their doctrin. I assumed they sent her because the two younger women came back with questions after a deep dive into their sheol doctrin. I was a young Christian and really didn't have any indoctrination on what was true. I just had a "cool, let's study and see" attitude.

Plus it was God he wanted to save Shannon and her family.My brother in law"s dad was a professor at Dallas Baptist Seminary. I loved studying so they gave me his personal library and I had boxes and boxes of commentaries, bible dictonarys, Greek and Hebrew dictionaries,  bible archeological encyclopedias, blue letter bibles, strongs, history of the churches, history of bible translation. I still havent read all the books i was given.

I think God also wanted me to see how strong spiritual blindness can be and how powerful the control mechanisms behind these false teachings can be. So I try not to become indoctrinated just stay with a let's study and see attitude. 

Because of 2 thess 2 I try to keep my pray, God keep me loving and open to hear truth no matter how bad it gets.

 

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Accusing them of angel worshiping. The angels and all the host of heaven, including Micheal(Revelations 10), are in the image of the Word of God. We are not the only ones. The difference is the level of authority we have been granted. No one should be confused with the Logos Himself, even thou they are in His likeness.

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I keep extra work clothes for those who visit in door to door.

 

They learned the worst thing they can do is label someone like myself "demon processed"  

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On 5/7/2019 at 7:47 AM, Daniel Marsh said:

What is the most interesting argument you used with Jehovah's Witnesses or Latter day Saints?

i never argue. i invite them in. offer a cool drink and then show love.

 

Love is what wins people to christ  not arguments.

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54 minutes ago, Robert.A said:

i never argue. i invite them in. offer a cool drink and then show love.

 

Love is what wins people to Christ  not arguments.

 

In my misguided Pagan days,  I would invite them in serve them Wine and Cheese and put on a bad taste VHS tape. 

Now, I invite them in,  walk them through my library and give them books.  Ask them what they would like to drink and give them a choice of what I have.

If I put on a Movie, I make sure it is Family Friendly or Bible Related.

I also, get their phone number and address.   I check the address online using Property Search though the township or city website.  

http://www.greenoaktwp.com/

http://www.greenoaktwp.com/government/assessing/property_and_tax_search.php

https://bsaonline.com/?uid=251&sitetransition=true

https://bsaonline.com/?uid=251&sitetransition=true

https://bsaonline.com/SiteSearch/SiteSearchResults?SearchFocus=All+Records&ubHideName=false&ubHideAddress=false&ubHideParcelNumber=false&mrHideName=true&mrHideAddress=true&mrHideCustomerID=true&mrHideInvoiceNumber=true&mrHideParcelNumber=true&SearchCategory=Address&SearchText=6000-6600+Island+Lake+dr&AddrSearchStreetName=&AddrSearchStreetNumFrom=&AddrSearchStreetNumTo=&UseAdvancedAddrSearch=false&uid=251

 

 

 

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