R. Hartono Posted May 7, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. THE FOOLISH VIRGINS WILL RELIGHT THEIR LAMP IN THE DARKNESS (REGRET) AND PRAY TO JESUS TO TAKE THEM TOO. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. ITS TOO LATE, SHE WILL BE THE BRIDE OF ANTICHRIST. Edited November 11, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoot Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,192 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 429 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1957 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) Except the virgins of Matthew 25 have nothing to do with the redeemed which make up the body and bride of Messiah. The bride of Messiah is a chaste virgin, singular, not a collection of virgins. Yeshua is not a polygamist. Go and study the first century Hebrew marriage ritual and everything will clear itself up on who these virgins are. That is why the bride is never mentioned in Matthew 25. The bride is not the focus since the bride and groom have become one. The focus is on those who do not make up the bride. All of the Olivet discourse, especially so Matthew 25, is an exposition on passages in the prophets regarding the Hebrew people and the nations. Edited May 21, 2019 by OldCoot Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) On 5/21/2019 at 8:07 PM, OldCoot said: Except the virgins of Matthew 25 have nothing to do with the redeemed which make up the body and bride of Messiah. The bride of Messiah is a chaste virgin, singular, not a collection of virgins. Yeshua is not a polygamist. Go and study the first century Hebrew marriage ritual and everything will clear itself up on who these virgins are. That is why the bride is never mentioned in Matthew 25. The bride is not the focus since the bride and groom have become one. The focus is on those who do not make up the bride. All of the Olivet discourse, especially so Matthew 25, is an exposition on passages in the prophets regarding the Hebrew people and the nations. Are you saying these two christian jews are not to be called the bride of Messiah : See in youtube :Two Israeli Jews explain the gospel in Jerusalem like you've never heard before!!! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDvyotUW2dM">christmas</a> Edited May 26, 2019 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoot Posted May 26, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,192 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 429 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1957 Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: Are you saying these two christian jews are not to be called the bride of Messiah : See in youtube :Two Israeli Jews explain the gospel in Jerusalem like you've never heard before!!! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDvyotUW2dM">christmas</a> No, by the very nature of being part of the redeemed, they are indeed included in the Body of Messiah / Bride of Messiah. The early part of Matthew 25 is not about the bride. It is about virgins / bridesmaids. Yeshua is not marrying a group of virgin brides from a selection of 10, only one and it is not any of these virgins. When Yeshua returns with His bride, the wedding feast begins, in accordance to the traditional Hebrew ritual of the 1st century. But the Hebrew people who have survived the GT period will be separated into those who will go into and partake of the wedding feast with Yeshua and His bride and go into the millennial kingdom and those who will not and be condemned. The parable of the 10 virgins is related to the Hebrew people in general who will be separated by Yeshua as per Ezekiel 20. Likewise later in Matthew 25, the nations are gathered and separated into the sheep and the goats based on how they treated the Hebrew people. This is supported in Joel 3. All who trust in Yeshua right up to the removal of the righteous are considered part of the bride of Yeshua. Edited May 26, 2019 by OldCoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 27, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 22 hours ago, OldCoot said: No, by the very nature of being part of the redeemed, they are indeed included in the Body of Messiah / Bride of Messiah. The early part of Matthew 25 is not about the bride. It is about virgins / bridesmaids. Yeshua is not marrying a group of virgin brides from a selection of 10, only one and it is not any of these virgins. When Yeshua returns with His bride, the wedding feast begins, in accordance to the traditional Hebrew ritual of the 1st century. But the Hebrew people who have survived the GT period will be separated into those who will go into and partake of the wedding feast with Yeshua and His bride and go into the millennial kingdom and those who will not and be condemned. The parable of the 10 virgins is related to the Hebrew people in general who will be separated by Yeshua as per Ezekiel 20. Likewise later in Matthew 25, the nations are gathered and separated into the sheep and the goats based on how they treated the Hebrew people. This is supported in Joel 3. All who trust in Yeshua right up to the removal of the righteous are considered part of the bride of Yeshua. The moral of the story of the parable of 10 virgins is not about who is the Bride or who is the bridesmaid. Its about the annointing of Holy Spirit that the church must keep in order to be worthy to be raptured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyLouse Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/30/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/2004 Share Posted May 29, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 10:44 PM, OldCoot said: No, by the very nature of being part of the redeemed, they are indeed included in the Body of Messiah / Bride of Messiah. The early part of Matthew 25 is not about the bride. It is about virgins / bridesmaids. Yeshua is not marrying a group of virgin brides from a selection of 10, only one and it is not any of these virgins. When Yeshua returns with His bride, the wedding feast begins, in accordance to the traditional Hebrew ritual of the 1st century. But the Hebrew people who have survived the GT period will be separated into those who will go into and partake of the wedding feast with Yeshua and His bride and go into the millennial kingdom and those who will not and be condemned. The parable of the 10 virgins is related to the Hebrew people in general who will be separated by Yeshua as per Ezekiel 20. Likewise later in Matthew 25, the nations are gathered and separated into the sheep and the goats based on how they treated the Hebrew people. This is supported in Joel 3. All who trust in Yeshua right up to the removal of the righteous are considered part of the bride of Yeshua. Does He return "with" His bride or "for" His bride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoot Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,192 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 429 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1957 Share Posted May 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, NickyLouse said: Does He return "with" His bride or "for" His bride? The next time Yeshua returns to this planet will be with His bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyLouse Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/30/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/2004 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, OldCoot said: The next time Yeshua returns to this planet will be with His bride. Okay. I think I see the parable as when believers are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. However, it seems odd that they would be called to it since they are the bride too. Interesting discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 30, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 9 hours ago, OldCoot said: The next time Yeshua returns to this planet will be with His bride. 9 hours ago, NickyLouse said: Does He return "with" His bride or "for" His bride? The Rapture is when Jesus comes for His bride. The second coming is when Jesus comes with His bride to Armageddon battle first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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