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What if you LOSE your FAITH.... what happens?

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Here are some thoughts you might consider, regarding "Losing your Faith"...... and if your bible is near by..........

Here is the reality... > Your Faith does not save you.
God SAVED you through your Faith.
Big difference.
Vital Distinction.

So, falling away from it after you are SAVED, basically does nothing but allow God and others to esteem you as a backslider.
This person is a sheep who is off the main path but they are not a "LOST" sheep, as they were previously found by Jesus's Blood and redeemed.
There are a lot of Christian sheep who are no where near the path of Light, yet they are all Children of the Light.
There is no verse in the NT that says....>"ok, you fell out of Christ".
And that is because you can't.
You are "bone of Jesus Christ's bones, and flesh of Jesus Christ's flesh".
"ONE"...>"In Christ".
"As Jesus is so are the born again in this world".... right now.
"seated in heavenly placed, IN CHRIST....right now".

And a backslidden (Christian) says,"" but, i downloaded porn yesterday, and today i stole money from my mother's bank account, and tomorrow im going to fornicate with my stepson again after he's back from Church."""

And this person, who is saved, yet doing all this..... is going to suffer down here.
Not today, as sentence against sin, "reaping and sowing", is coming...but it does not happen the day you sin.....but its COMING.... So this person is going to HURT for what they are doing........its coming.........."Sowing and Reaping".
This is explained by  Ecclesiastes 8:11
Its explained by the "long-suffering (Patience) of God.
However.....Paul details it the same.. = that if they dont turn from their "works OF the flesh", repent..... and get back into the righteous walk, then they will "reap what they have sown", be "chastened of God" over and over, and if that won't make them stop, they will , over time, lose everything, except for their Salvation.
Family, job, money, friends, lifestyle .GONE.....and then they will get sick, and then they will die.  Romans 8:13
As THAT is the final result of SIN, (sinning), as a believer, and continuing to LIVE IN IT.
Seems fair...
But, what is also a fact, is that this born again person, wont suffer in eternity for those sins, because Jesus has already died for all of them, on a Cross, on Earth.
We as BIBLE believers are to understand that in Eternity, in Heaven, the only Sin that God evaluates, to evaluate you, is the one that rejected the Cross.
This is the unpardonable sin., as if you do this one, then you prevent the Cross from taking your sin,.....and you die "un-pardoned".....= the un-pardonable....sin. = Christ Rejection.
This is actually choosing to go to Hell.
Bad choice.
See.....Its only a Christ Rejector......it only THIS sin, that is alone dealt with In Heaven, in Revelation 20:11. Great White Throne.
Believers die and meet Christ because we Trusted Him on EARTH, but if you didn't, then you dont meet Christ as your Savior, you only meet the JUDGE who Sent Jesus here, and you Rejected Him. And now God will reject YOU.......= Hell .... = THE LAKE OF FIRE !
So, if you are not saved, and you are reading this... please do not reject Christ and meet God as you Judge.
Please don't do that.
Received Jesus, Trust in Jesus..... kneel at the Cross and receive the LOVE of God.... End up happy in Heaven, and eternally so.

Down here, on earth, a believer's bad behavior is dealt with by THE LAW OF... "reaping and sowing".
And God will also correct a born again believer, .. Hebrews 12:6...and will anyway.
Most Christians have not been taught all this basic NT understanding, but, i just told you, Saints...so, if this is not what you have known before........now you do.
The born again meet God as their Father.
The unsaved, meet God as their Judge.
On earth, all meet "reaping and sowing" for sin or "works of the flesh"..., so, be sure your deeds are not the type that are going to harvest a season of pain in your life.
It will come for you, if you do.
Your sin will find you out, and it will HURT YOU when it finds you.

See, we as humans, we want to judge how WE see it.
(self righteousness)
But God's ways are higher then ours, as in as high as Heaven is from the earth, is how differently God's thinks and behaves, as compared to how we would try to do the same.
WE, as humans, can't even grasp how a holy God would come to earth and die for the UNGODLY.
So, that is why, many believers can't stand the fact that God's Grace continues to be the same, for people who are born again,, but who don't live a holy life.
What we want to think about them, is that they deserve hell.
Thats how we feel....
That's our flesh. That is how it reacts, against the Grace of God, at times.
The more of a legalist you are, the more you will have these types of feelings and beliefs.
The more you are like Jesus, the less of them, will you have.
But God does not see it OUR way. He only sees HIS OWN as "through the Blood".
Our flesh rebels at this........but that is not How God responds to THEM.
They are His Blood bought Children, and He does not love them less because they are horrible people.
He saved them knowing they would turn out to be rotten stinking Christians.
But Christians they are, and to HIM they belong, as "new BIRTH", as the Blood Atonement.....decided this for them.

To God, ALL sin is pardoned on the CROSS and offered as SALVATION.
In fact, that He does not charge you for yours, as Christ has already died for them ALL,
is explained in this NT verse.  Romans 4:8.
If you reader, have not studied this verse deeply, then you are lacking even a shallow understanding of Grace.
And you need to study this one also..... Hebrews 13:9.
AS if you don't follow that one, early in your born again "babe in Christ" experience, then you'll end up as a devout Legalist on a forum like this one at some point teaching Galatians 1:8.
Really.

So, sgain....about "losing Faith"....
A weak analogy would be : a marriage contract.
Say you are married, and your wife or husband hates you.
Hates you......Despises you.....and wished you would die....they wish you were dead.
Well, do their feelings and attitude and "heart condition" and "words" .... end the marriage?
NO < because there is a contract that overrides their hate and words.
So, its the same with the Blood of Jesus...It overrides all we do wrong, after we are saved, including what we SAY or DO.
""where SIN Abounds (in the LIFE OF A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN), .. GRACE more abounds".
"God who began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE it".
Philippians 1:6
"Jesus is the author and FINISHER of your FAITH"
Hebrews 12:2
In other words, you can't out-sin Grace.
Many try it, but it can't be done.
You can only "fall away" from it, and become what Paul is describing in Galatians.
""are you so FOOLISH< (that you use to Trust Christ to keep you saved) , but now you are gone BACK into the (flesh) worrying about the 10 commandments, and the law, and lifestyle, as the WAY you keep yourself saved"?
You are FALLEN.......(gotten away from),........"Fallen from GRACE."
This is the Legalist.

So, understand that "holding onto your faith", is not principally different then keeping the 10 commandments, regarding its inability to save you or keep you saved.

A person says......"but my faith is what saved me".
And the NT says...."no, God saved you, through your faith".
And Jesus said while ON the Cross, "it if finished".

A believer says.... "ummm, well, ok, faith does not save me, it's God through the Blood of Jesus who SAVED me.....I see, BUT....what if i fall out of faith". ?????
What if you do?
What if you don't.
This does not stipulate or control or condemn the redemption that has happened to you.
"New Birth".
"New Creation IN CHRIST".
Faith does not do this, it only allows GOD TO DO IT TO YOU, FOR YOU, through your Faith.
HE DID iT.
ITS DONE. .... if you are born again.

Ok, well, there are Legalists that hate this understanding.
They will hate my entire Post.
They hate it, because it does not allow them to feel they are saving themselves, and that of course, is their problem.
Their legalism has replaced real FAITH In Christ ALONE... and so, Now they have resorted to faith in their faith, or its faith in their works.,, or both.
This is Legalism.
Legalism is literally a person climbing up on the Cross in their self effort to keep themselves SAVED.
The legalist, has replace Jesus with > SELF Faith< (what i have to DO)... to TRY to KEEP themselves saved.
Thats their issue.
This is the issue of Legalism.
Paul wrote all about this, in Galatians.
Find a lot more about it there.......

So, It really does come down to one realization.
Its not what you trusted to SAVE YOU< but its what you are trusting to KEEP YOU SAVED.....is the issue.
AS right here is where a legalist "falls from Grace", and into "self saving."
This is why the legalist can't talk about the Cross, can't talk about Grace, can't talk about the Blood of Jesus with joy or deep understanding...... and how could they?... They can only talk about THEIR savior...which is themselves, trying not to "lose it"....and here comes their list of "do's and don't does to keep themselves saved.
...........10 commandments, overcoming, enduring to the end, the Law, lifestyle, holding unto their faith... and their "saving myself" list just keeps going and going, ...........
And what is not on their list, is the Cross or Jesus or the Blood.
So, that is the Legalist.
They are "fallen from Grace".
Grace no longer has a part in their redemption, in THEIR Mind, but in God's perspective these are just people who lost the light and pride kept it turned off .

If they were born again, then this is unchanged.......and thank God for that.

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And one more about......." quitting faith, losing faith, ...."
Lets say a Christian born again mother has a 2 yr old, that is kidnapped and murdered.
So, they catch the person, and he goes to prison for life.
But, in her broken and devestated heart, she is asking "why", Why didn't God prevent this.. ?? !!!!!
So she says, and means it....
="" I HATE YOU GOD.
BURN IN HELL JESUS>
DIE HOLY SPIRIT, .. I hope Heaven BURNS with the Angels in it SCREAMING !!!!!!!!"""""

Now do you see that?
You are awake now....right?
Do you really think that God is going to cast HIS Child of God into the Lake of Fire for eternity....for those words, and that attitude?
Is God's love unconditional ? Is the Cross weak at Redemption?
Jesus, who is GOD, said that He is ""touched with the FEELINGS of our FEELINGS"".
He knows exactly why we feel what we feel, and why we behave like we behave.
So....no....this hurting broken destroyed woman is not going into the Lake of fire because she is literally blaming and hating God, and will continue to.......and may die this way, as a broken heart can kill you.........if its broken enough.
And if she dies....then she'll meet Jesus, and there is her little girl."mama",, "mama".
Talk about happy tears........
So, why does God Hating mama not end up in the Lake of Fire is she dies hating Christ ??? Because this person belongs to God.. She was bought with a price.
Redemption is not a temporary solution. Redemption is an Eternal forgiveness.
She is "in Christ", and "Christ IN this woman is her hope of Glory".
YET....Christians have this idea that God is some sort of anemic, sensitive, can't deal with anything...... vengeful, lightning bolts, revenge seeking, neurotic, emotional infant.
But the fact is, God is Love and Love is God's Grace, and Grace is the Blood Atonement, and this is so strong and so eternal, that you cant wash the Blood Of Jesus off your born again spirit by a bad attitude or a mouthful of Hate or a lifetime of living in the flesh.

Salvation, is an eternal blood bought contract between the Blood of Jesus and your initial Faith, that results in you going to heaven to be with the family that GOD Joined you to, and put you in, based on THE CROSS.....ALONE.
Its because.... once you signed up with Faith, God signed you up with His Eternal Blood.
God , is Jesus on the Cross.....shedding His blood to bring you HOME AND KEEP YOU THERE.
This is GRACE.
Therefore, when you are "atoned for" by God's blood, (GRACE) it does not become voided by hatred, backsliding, or anything we do, and that is because it is GOD who created the means of the CROSS to accept us, and once He does......then that is the final answer.
"Accepted in the Beloved".

Now here is a little bit more for you....

So, "Faith, faith, faith"., what if i lose my faith".

Ok, there is a unique answer for that question also given in the NT.
Its in Romans.

"Whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin..."
So, if you lose your faith, you have sinned.
And Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge your SIN to you....after you are washed in the blood of Jesus....so, the "lost faith" sin, is just one more that is under that blanket of Blood, ... all washed clean..
White as snow.


 

 

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Luk 8:11 AMP  Now the meaning of the parable is this: The seed is the Word of God.

Luk 8:12  Those along the traveled road are the people who have heard; then the devil comes and carries away the message out of their hearts, that they may not believe (acknowledge Me as their Savior and devote themselves to Me) and be saved [here and hereafter].

Luk 8:13  And those upon the rock [are the people] who, when they hear [the Word], receive and welcome it with joy; but these have no root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation fall away (withdraw and stand aloof).

Luk 8:14  And as for what fell among the thorns, these are [the people] who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked and suffocated with the anxieties and cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not ripen (come to maturity and perfection).

Luk 8:15  But as for that [seed] in the good soil, these are [the people] who, hearing the Word, hold it fast in a just (noble, virtuous) and worthy heart, and steadily bring forth fruit with patience.

Joh 15:2  AMP Any branch in Me that does not bear fruit [that stops bearing] He cuts away (trims off, takes away); and He cleanses and repeatedly prunes every branch that continues to bear fruit, to make it bear more and richer and more excellent fruit.

Joh 15:3  You are cleansed and pruned already, because of the word which I have given you [the teachings I have discussed with you].

Joh 15:4  Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you. [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Just as no branch can bear fruit of itself without abiding in (being vitally united to) the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you abide in Me.

Joh 15:5  I am the Vine; you are the branches. Whoever lives in Me and I in him bears much (abundant) fruit. However, apart from Me [cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing.

Joh 15:6  If a person does not dwell in Me, he is thrown out like a [broken-off] branch, and withers; such branches are gathered up and thrown into the fire, and they are burned.

Joh 15:7  If you live in Me [abide vitally united to Me] and My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.

Joh 15:8  When you bear (produce) much fruit, My Father is honored and glorified, and you show and prove yourselves to be true followers of Mine.

 

   Perhaps a  person appeared to have received Christ but satan stole the truth of God's word from them before they could learn to trust in Christ fully as their Lord.  Or perhaps it was an emotional decision or they were mislead by the wiles of the evil one, and when trials came they fell away from trusting in Christ and hardened their hearts or became bitter.   They never read their Bibles, having no love for the word, and don't worship God the Father of Jesus Christ with thanksgiving.

God knows and keeps those who are truly His.  They remain attached to the Vine and bear fruit.  Even when a person backslides they continue to call out to Christ to keep them, and He brings them back to Himself and restores them.  Sometimes this is done by pruning, forcing the branch to bear fruit again.  Those who have remained in God's word are already pruned. True believers do not continue to live in and enjoy sinful lifestyles.  They are horribly miserable if they do fall and sin.   A bad tree cannot produce good fruit, and a good tree does not produce bad fruit.   

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20 hours ago, Willa said:

Luk 8:11 AMP  Now the meaning of the parable is this: The seed is the Word of God.

Luk 8:12  Those along the traveled road are the people who have heard; then the devil comes and carries away the message out of their hearts, that they may not believe (acknowledge Me as their Savior and devote themselves to Me) and be saved [here and hereafter].

Luk 8:13  And those upon the rock [are the people] who, when they hear [the Word], receive and welcome it with joy; but these have no root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation fall away (withdraw and stand aloof).

Luk 8:14  And as for what fell among the thorns, these are [the people] who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked and suffocated with the anxieties and cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not ripen (come to maturity and perfection).

Luk 8:15  But as for that [seed] in the good soil, these are [the people] who, hearing the Word, hold it fast in a just (noble, virtuous) and worthy heart, and steadily bring forth fruit with patience.

Joh 15:2  AMP Any branch in Me that does not bear fruit [that stops bearing] He cuts away (trims off, takes away); and He cleanses and repeatedly prunes every branch that continues to bear fruit, to make it bear more and richer and more excellent fruit.

Joh 15:3  You are cleansed and pruned already, because of the word which I have given you [the teachings I have discussed with you].

Joh 15:4  Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you. [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Just as no branch can bear fruit of itself without abiding in (being vitally united to) the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you abide in Me.

Joh 15:5  I am the Vine; you are the branches. Whoever lives in Me and I in him bears much (abundant) fruit. However, apart from Me [cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing.

Joh 15:6  If a person does not dwell in Me, he is thrown out like a [broken-off] branch, and withers; such branches are gathered up and thrown into the fire, and they are burned.

Joh 15:7  If you live in Me [abide vitally united to Me] and My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.

Joh 15:8  When you bear (produce) much fruit, My Father is honored and glorified, and you show and prove yourselves to be true followers of Mine.

 

   Perhaps a  person appeared to have received Christ but satan stole the truth of God's word from them before they could learn to trust in Christ fully as their Lord.  Or perhaps it was an emotional decision or they were mislead by the wiles of the evil one, and when trials came they fell away from trusting in Christ and hardened their hearts or became bitter.   They never read their Bibles, having no love for the word, and don't worship God the Father of Jesus Christ with thanksgiving.

God knows and keeps those who are truly His.  They remain attached to the Vine and bear fruit.  Even when a person backslides they continue to call out to Christ to keep them, and He brings them back to Himself and restores them.  Sometimes this is done by pruning, forcing the branch to bear fruit again.  Those who have remained in God's word are already pruned. True believers do not continue to live in and enjoy sinful lifestyles.  They are horribly miserable if they do fall and sin.   A bad tree cannot produce good fruit, and a good tree does not produce bad fruit.   

Hi Willa,

 

See if this works regarding what you are explaining...

 

You find devout religious people doing the works of Christ. Church member, water baptized, Deacon, Pastor, Priest, who give to the poor (In Christ's name), live holy, and cast out devils', in Christ's name".
They all die.
Upon meeting Jesus HE says..>"Depart from me, i never knew you".

Their Next stop....."Great White Throne Judgement" and God is about to direct them into the Lake of Fire.
These are real people....these are not pretend puppets. They lived lives, had families, grandchildren, loved pets, served in the Military ......gave to the church their time and money.
They are crying, they are begging, sobbing with tears.....GOD NO NO< WHY WHY......why are you sending us to the Lake of fire ????......we even cast out DEVIL's in Jesus's NAME"

God Speaks......Its Jesus talking........Jesus is God.....>He says......"Its because i never knew you".

Translation : Because you were never BORN AGAIN.

= so much for that lifetime of good works....

 

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If you lose your faith then it was not genuine to start with. When a person is a born again Christian they have the Holy Spirit within them. They can not lose it. God knows a person's heart. He knows who is genuine. 

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20 hours ago, Willa said:

God knows and keeps those who are truly His.  They remain attached to the Vine and bear fruit.  Even when a person backslides they continue to call out to Christ to keep them, and He brings them back to Himself and restores them.  Sometimes this is done by pruning, forcing the branch to bear fruit again.  Those who have remained in God's word are already pruned. True believers do not continue to live in and enjoy sinful lifestyles.  They are horribly miserable if they do fall and sin.   A bad tree cannot produce good fruit, and a good tree does not produce bad fruit.   

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Ever thought who it is that holds our faith?

 

Ever questioned who is powerfull enough to remove our faith from the hand of the one who holds our faith?

Try John 10:28

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On 5/14/2019 at 12:10 PM, Who me said:

Ever thought who it is that holds our faith?

Ever questioned who is powerfull enough to remove our faith from the hand of the one who holds our faith?

Try John 10:28

The verse you posted proves eternal security.

Eternal Security is OSAS.

 

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I have heard tales of young christians with impressionable minds that do produce fruit, professing Christ as Lord and Savior, on fire for God and do believe the bible, go into these universities and come out denying Gods existence and claiming they now believe in evolution and are atheist.   If it were not possible why does the enemy try so hard to make us doubt?  I guess it was just rocky soil to begin with.  the enemy came and snatched that Word right out. 

I have also heard tales of a few of them coming back to the truth and being restored in relationship with God. 

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Something I have noticed is how you are openly teaching that a Christian can lose their faith, go completely back into sin, but they are still saved.  Others who claim to believe in OSAS say they don't teach that and that is a lie made up by those rejecting OSAS to discredit them.  Who is right?  You clearly are at odds with others who say they are OSAS.

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      Now your "State"........is how you are behaving at any given time as you realize yourself.  You can be mad, or glad, or full of hate, or full of joy, or fearful, or loving, or preaching, or backslidden....that is your STATE.  That is your moment by moment existence down here,   VS.... your STANDING, (God's Perspective).....as He sees you all the time.... which is "sinless perfection", "redeemed", "born again", In the Kingdom of God, "in Christ", and "eternally secure".
      So, you are BOTH.    And where the confusion come in, theologically and literally, is when a person thinks that their State is what controls their Standing.  They do not understand that your State is Not your Eternal Standing,   Your State is not God's Eternal perspective of you that He sees as the REAL YOU< everytime He looks at you.   He ONLY sees your STANDING as "the righteousness of Christ", for eternity....... while your STATE, can be anything but that type of behavior.
      Christ's eternally redeeming Blood was shed, and thru your faith in this, in Jesus,  God has spiritually recreated you by being born again by the Holy Spirit,<> THIS  has created your Standing.  And  That is  How God SEES YOU at all times.
      Your State, is how you are behaving, at any given time.
      Let me simplify it.
      Standing is Salvation
      State is daily living // discipleship
      Jesus your redeemer IS your Standing
      Your behavior, IS your state
      Those 2, are not the same.
      Standing = God's perspective of you, as He sees you THRU the Blood Atonement, at all times = born again, which is your Standing.
      State - Is how you see you, that is  based on your behavior, at all times.
      Your state, does not affect your Standing, because your Standing is created by Jesus, and maintained by God.  THEY caused you to be in the STANDING of being born again.
      Your state, your behavior, has nothing to do with this, and cannot effect your STANDING......not ever.
    • By Behold
      We, as the born again...are all as one body =   ministers of the reconciliation. We are all called to set the table with the Goodness of God's Gift of Righteousness, and invite the entire world to come to God's table and be filled with the goodness of God's mercy and forgiveness. Salvation is a spiritual  family reunion where we are all rejoined into the Spirit of God as we gather around the Cross, in celebration of Christ's Blood, which alone  has made us acceptable to God as  '"the righteousness of Christ." This is the Grace of God.  This is the "Gift of Righteousness".   Paul teaches... "be followers of Me, as I follow Christ". Jesus literally gave Paul most of the "church doctrine", that we understand as a "new Testament Church". Its Paul who first delivered, to the body of Christ,  the exact truth/doctrine regarding exactly how God saves you. "Justification by Faith". This is not "repent and be baptized".  This is JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH.  Notice the different words, the different meaning, between the two? So, when you preach and  teach "Justification by FAITH"..., you are teaching.. "faith"....as ONLY what God accepts to then SAVE YOU and Keep you saved....., as Jesus taught Paul.   What is so unusual about this situation with Paul... is that Paul was called later......after Jesus went back to heaven. Jesus took this "apostle to the gentiles", and taught him basically all that believers understand regarding almost every church doctrine, but most specifically the doctrine of "Justification by Faith", = without your self effort being involved. (no works, no commandment keeping, to BE saved or STAY saved). Salvation is  all of Grace. Logically this is easy to understand, because..... unless you are on the Cross bleeding and dying, you are not the savior of yourself. A lot of people are trying to keep themselves saved, but you can no more do that then you can save yourself to begin with.... as it takes a sacrifical redeemer on a Cross, shedding blood,  to save you and keep you saved. The bumper sticker says.....>"The ONE who saved you, keeps you saved."    Philippians 1:6   Salvation is not a commandment keeping performance to be accepted by God,  situation. Pride, self righteousness..... is the carnal idea of being good enough, based on commandment keeping, or lifestyle...that says to God..."see ME, im doing all this STUFF, im keeping the commandments, im living holy. so you HAVE TO TAKE ME NOW". "YOU HAVE TO KEEP ME NOW".. No He doesn't, and no He won't. ! As compared to Jesus, all your and my good works and commandment keeping and your idea of holy lifestyle that you are doing after you are saved, all this is just as dirty and useless to save US,  as ALL that was  before you were Saved. Get this !!  What could not save you before the Cross, can't keep you saved after the Cross. Understand that, and you have seen yourself as God sees you, and once that happens, you will understand just how wonderful the Mercy of the Grace of God, really is.... and what its done and keeps doing for you.   as "The Gift of Salvation".. "The Gift of righteousness".   This is your Salvation. Redemption, is a GRACE via MERCY situation, where the goodness of God has been slain on a Cross, so that by Jesus's BLOOD bought redemption, you are accepted by God, once you Give God your Faith. "faith is accepted (by God) as your righteousness". Giving God your faith, activates God to impute to you (eternally gift you with)  the " righteousness of Christ".   How long does the Blood of Jesus effect last (the forgiveness of God)  if you have it as your blood atonement?   It will last as long as Jesus Lives. If you are saved, born again, (SAVED)  then you will remain so for exactly as long as the One who saved you, Lives. This is because you have literally become "the Righteousness of Christ". The NT explains this as being "IN CHRIST"....as in ...you are now become "the righteousness of Christ". You are a "New Creation". You have become a Blood bought, Saint. Did you do for yourself? So, if you didnt cause yourself to be saved, then how can you cause yourself to stay saved by your self effort? If you think you can lose what only God caused, then you are pretending that you can control what God has given as a Gift.   And that is pride.   Listen, Salvation is ALL OF JESUS.  The beginning and the end of it. And notice you didnt have to keep any commandments or be water baptized to BECOME born again. After this, sure, you are to live holy, etc, etc, etc.. Discipleship follows salvation...but this  is NOT Your Salvation. Jesus is your salvation.  You get your righteousness as "the gift of Righteousness" from Him. Live holy, do right, pay attention to the commandments, while understanding that none of these can save you or keep you saved. Salvation is ALL of Jesus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------   How to teach :   "Justification by Faith", and the "Gift of Righteousness".   And the reason im teaching (some of  you this) , is because over the years ive discovered that many fine Christians, good hearted, sincere, are horribly taught in their Christian beginnings regarding the New Testament,  and suffer the consequences of this until they are helped. So, i just try to resolve this, i just try to be that help.... so that anyone and everyone who didnt have the benefit early on, regarding  a good NT Teacher or good solid "Grace Foundation" doctrinal teaching,  Hebrews 13:9 =  can have it if they want it.   So, This is how you understand HOW God saves you so that you can see why and how.  And in this way, when you have the opportunity to "contend for the Faith", as Jude explains, you'll be able to argue the True faith from the point of view of the Cross, and the Grace of God. And you'll be able to teach a new believer how to understand what i call : "From Adam to Adam to Righteousness".   Here we go..   God understood that Adam lost "righteousness" when tempted to eat the apple and did. Eve was tempted, Adam saw it coming, both sinned, and here we are in a mess, till God rescues us. So, the "fall of Adam", is the sin of Adam that LOST Adam's righteousness. It was this righteousness, this sinless perfection, that made Adam "in the image of God". God is HOLY.  Holy is a specific spiritual term for the Righteousness of God, that ADAM HAD, before He sinned. Once Adam sinned, then his God-like .."state of sinless perfection" was LOST, = "adamic nature" ensued, and this is the eventual spiritual state of all people born since then. "sinners". Notice that you dont have to be taught how to lie, cheat, steal, or just do bad stuff. You are born this way.. "born into Sin". So, that is simply that you have no righteousness, same as Adam LOST.   Answer ?  Cure ??   = SALVATION.   Salvation is God restoring this RIGHTEOUSNESS to anyone who will "call on the name of Jesus, and you shall be saved".   This is "justification by faith", and "THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS".   THIS IS "REDEMPTION".   REDEMPTION IS CHRIST DYING FOR YOU SIN, AND GOD GIVING YOU JESUS'S RIGHTEOUSNESS =  IN PLACE OF YOUR SIN.   GOD CAME HERE, as Jesus, to give it back.  To restore the original righteousness that Adam had, into and unto all who are BORN AGAIN.   Jesus is the "2nd Adam".   He's the same righteousness as the 1st, but He's also GOD in the Flesh, and when He sacrificed Himself for the "sin of the world", He is offering His very Righteousness to anyone and everyone who will go to the Cross, kneel, accept Christ as their Savior, BY FAITH, as explained by THE Gospel., that came thru Jesus thru Paul to you and me and everyone.  = "justification by faith"". = God accepts your FAITH, to give you the eternal righteousness that JESUS died to offer.     John 3:16   All Salvation actually is, is the lost righteousness of Adam, given back thru the Cross (Jesus Sacrifice) to anyone who will "believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved".  Its a Gift.   "The Gift of Righteousness".   This is called the "ministry of reconciliation"...were we are reconciled back into God's family and into God Himself.....by receiving the righteousness of CHRIST as "the gift of Righteousness".   This is your Salvation.
    • By Behold
      Casting Curses,.... this is an interesting topic.

      Witches cast them.
      Unbelievers are under one ...  John 3:36. This is the judgement of God against every Christ rejector, that is created originally by the "curse of the law",....... that "Jesus has removed the curse of the Law", FROM the Born Again, because of the Cross... "Cursed is everyone who HANGS on a TREE"..(Cross).

      Also, its all about and related to, the power of the "tongue". As your bible tells you that "life and death" are IN the power of the tongue.... the words you speak.
      The words of Jesus are Truth and Life.
      When Jesus spoke, it was Truth or Life filled words.
      The word of the Gospel, preached and then BELIEVED, becomes a holy seed that can regenerate, thru the Holy Spirit, a dead spirit in a person and cause it/them to be Born Again.

      Words are very powerful.

      God "spoke" the world into existence THRU the Word.
      Jesus is the "Word", pre-incarnate and "The word made flesh, Incarnate..... and that is why He is acclaimed to be and explained as the Creator in Colossians 1:16
      In John 1:10 you are told that Jesus stood on the world He Created.
      Consider that the baby feet of Jesus, .. the very first time they touched the dirt of the earth, were touching the World that He, as God Incarnate, created when He was still. "The Word was with God", "in the Beginning".

      How do you curse yourself, if you are a Born Again Christian?
      By what you say.  
      Your words are the power of your "tongue" creating your destiny. Every word you speak is a seed being sown, and every seed you sow out of your MOUTH, will come back to you, as a harvest.
      Your NT says that you will be judged by the words that you speak, and this means that your own words will become your judge and your destiny, while you are alive, and when they profess the Faith you have In Christ, ..... God then accepts this as "faith is counted as Righteousness"...= to give you the "Righteousness of Christ" and "The Gift of Salvation".

      There is also the fact that even tho Jesus "has redeemed us from the curse of the law" on the CROSS so that all judgment due us for our sin that was previously waiting for us in Eternity, before we were saved, has been given to HIM...  YET..His death does not remove this problem..= The law of "sowing and reaping". So, you have 2 things to deal with in your life that are word based and deed based, .......harvests.  
      What you speak is a seed, and what you do is a "sowing and reaping" deed situation.
      If you are in the FAITH,..... if you are really focused on discipleship and serving God and studying to show yourself approved and daily live to please God, very God conscience, then you will watch your mouth and you will control your deeds so that you do not bring upon yourself, their bad fruit as a harvest of pain, sorrow, and worse.

      Let me show you how you can get cancer, a heart attack, a stroke, a brain tumor....etc, etc.. just using your own mouth.
      You do it like this....

      """"well, you know, my mama had high blood pressure, mental illness, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, a temper problem, blindness, AND I BET I'LL GET IT TOOOOOO""""".

      SEE THAT? You just prayed the prayer of FAITH to get SICK, and maybe DIE.
      So......Watch your mouth. Your mouth is a POWER to bring to your life, whatever you speak and BELIEVE.
      Or as Jesus said, "whatsover ye believe , you shall have it".
      "thy Faith hath made you whole".
      And your FAITH can make you SICK.

      Saint, ... FAITH can harm you, if you are using it to harm yourself.

      Watch your mouth.
      Never curse yourself with it, or the people you love, etc, etc....
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