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8 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

And what does that mean?  If you don't lose salvation, what difference does it make?  Also, what does fall from grace mean if not loss of salvation?

Falling from Grace, is explained in Galatians 3:3.   Paul is explaining that to fall from grace, means to SUBSTITUTE "lawkeeping, commandment keeping, and lifestyle", in place of The Cross.

It means, that a person hears the gospel, and believes on Jesus, and is SAVED.....So, that is Grace.   "faith comes by hearing"....then Salvation comes by BELIEVING.. and you are born again.....So, that is all of God, through Christ...........but then.........later....this same person (Legalist) (legalism) gets caught up in trying to keep themselves SAVED......and so, they stop trusting in Christ alone which is GRACE.......and they fall from this.....they get away from this understanding and become confused and theologically wrong minded.....  And if they are born again, they are still born again, but they are no longer connected to the TRUTH........that ONLY Jesus SAVES and keeps you saved..........And they run around on forums, and their pastor and denomination run around teaching this "fallen from Grace" legalism, and Paul said to preach and teach this, is to be under God's curse.    Galatians 1:8

Read Galatians.   It will confirm what i am teaching.

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7 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

It can't mean lose salvation without OSAS being false because it means you can lose salvation.

 
Question: "What does it mean to 'fall from grace' (Galatians 5:4)?"

Answer: 
Galatians 5:4 and its reference to falling from grace is one of those “warning passages” pointed to by those who reject the doctrine of the eternal security of the believer. But because of the biblical doctrine of the perseverance of the saints, we know the warnings cannot be directed at true believers in Christ because once grace has been obtained, believers cannot fall from it.

In Galatians 5:4, the context is Paul’s warning against mixing law and the Gospel to attain justification. He says to those who let themselves be circumcised (Galatians 5:2) that they are “trying to be justified by law” and have therefore “been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.” It should be noted that there is no mention of salvation or the security of the believer. He is telling those who receive circumcision—in other words attempt to justify themselves through the rites and rules of the Law—that Christ will be of “no benefit” to them.

Paul expounds further in verse 3 when he says that “every man who receives circumcision” is “under obligation to keep the whole Law.” Why is such a statement important in regards to Christ being “no benefit to you”? Note what Paul says in Galatians 3:13 concerning Christ’s sacrifice: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.” Taken in this light, along with a brief understanding of the Greek terms used, we can get a better understanding of what Paul is saying.

The two most important words in Galatians 5:4 are καταργέω (severed) and ἐκπίπτω (fallen). The word καταργέω does not require the “harsh” implications that come with “sever” in the English language, though it should not be taken lightly. In light of Paul’s words in Galatians 5:2 and how Paul uses the term in verses such as Romans 3:34:14, and 1 Corinthians 1:28, a good way of understanding the term καταργέω is “nullify” or “done away with.” While the word ἐκπίπτω can undoubtedly mean to fall away from a previously held position, as those who deny the eternal security of true believers assert, in the context of this verse and how it is used in passages such as Acts 27, a good understanding of the phrase in Galatians 5:4 is that of “estranged” or “separated from.” 

Paul warns against setting aside the grace that comes from Christ. Those who do have nullified, or run away from, the grace that comes through His blood and attempted instead to justify themselves by the works of the Law. The purpose of Paul’s letter to the Galatians was to warn against the Judaizers because they attempted to lure born-again Christians back to justification through the Law, which is impossible (Galatians 2:16). He reminds them of the freedom they have in Christ: “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).

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5 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:
 
Question: "What does it mean to 'fall from grace' (Galatians 5:4)?"

Answer: 
Galatians 5:4 and its reference to falling from grace is one of those “warning passages” pointed to by those who reject the doctrine of the eternal security of the believer. But because of the biblical doctrine of the perseverance of the saints, we know the warnings cannot be directed at true believers in Christ because once grace has been obtained, believers cannot fall from it.

In Galatians 5:4, the context is Paul’s warning against mixing law and the Gospel to attain justification. He says to those who let themselves be circumcised (Galatians 5:2) that they are “trying to be justified by law” and have therefore “been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.” It should be noted that there is no mention of salvation or the security of the believer. He is telling those who receive circumcision—in other words attempt to justify themselves through the rites and rules of the Law—that Christ will be of “no benefit” to them.

Paul expounds further in verse 3 when he says that “every man who receives circumcision” is “under obligation to keep the whole Law.” Why is such a statement important in regards to Christ being “no benefit to you”? Note what Paul says in Galatians 3:13 concerning Christ’s sacrifice: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.” Taken in this light, along with a brief understanding of the Greek terms used, we can get a better understanding of what Paul is saying.

The two most important words in Galatians 5:4 are καταργέω (severed) and ἐκπίπτω (fallen). The word καταργέω does not require the “harsh” implications that come with “sever” in the English language, though it should not be taken lightly. In light of Paul’s words in Galatians 5:2 and how Paul uses the term in verses such as Romans 3:34:14, and 1 Corinthians 1:28, a good way of understanding the term καταργέω is “nullify” or “done away with.” While the word ἐκπίπτω can undoubtedly mean to fall away from a previously held position, as those who deny the eternal security of true believers assert, in the context of this verse and how it is used in passages such as Acts 27, a good understanding of the phrase in Galatians 5:4 is that of “estranged” or “separated from.” 

Paul warns against setting aside the grace that comes from Christ. Those who do have nullified, or run away from, the grace that comes through His blood and attempted instead to justify themselves by the works of the Law. The purpose of Paul’s letter to the Galatians was to warn against the Judaizers because they attempted to lure born-again Christians back to justification through the Law, which is impossible (Galatians 2:16). He reminds them of the freedom they have in Christ: “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).

I don't agree with that obviously, but in order to hold onto OSAS, that is the only way you can interpret it.  I don't believe Paul is speaking of unconditional security at all, but if fall from grace meant losing salvation for rejecting OSAS, the doctrine has no meaning.

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49 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

I don't agree with that obviously, but in order to hold onto OSAS, that is the only way you can interpret it.  I don't believe Paul is speaking of unconditional security at all, but if fall from grace meant losing salvation for rejecting OSAS, the doctrine has no meaning.

 

I pretty much know where you stand and vice- verse ......  I sent it solely for Newbies to consider, plus they can learn much from got questions .com.       Another great place is getgodsgift.com.   See the best Bible teacher on this or any other planet if you google   Rene Roland you tube.  Andrew Farley is also great.Anything written by Harry Ironside is great.

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13 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

I pretty much know where you stand and vice- verse ......  I sent it solely for Newbies to consider, plus they can learn much from got questions .com.       Another great place is getgodsgift.com.   See the best Bible teacher on this or any other planet if you google   Rene Roland you tube.  Andrew Farley is also great.Anything written by Harry Ironside is great.

To me, they are some of the worst false teachers on the planet.

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1 hour ago, Firm Foundation said:

To me, they are some of the worst false teachers on the planet.

 

They could be, for all I know,they could be sending me straight to Hell.....those you listen to could be the ones in the wrong as well......Let people decide for themselves, asking for God’s Wisdom to guide their Doctrine.....that’s what I do

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12 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

They could be, for all I know,they could be sending me straight to Hell.....those you listen to could be the ones in the wrong as well......Let people decide for themselves, asking for God’s Wisdom to guide their Doctrine.....that’s what I do

God gave His wisdom already, no man teaches us, no man is needed, God inside us tells us all things, and God cant lie..

Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

 

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To fall from grace is to fall away from God, it is the purpose of the entire bible, telling us how grace was shown to the Hebrews until they fell away too much.

 

Ezra 9:8 And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the Lord our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.

13 And after all that is come upon us for our evil deeds, and for our great trespass, seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve, and hast given us such deliverance as this;14 Should we again break thy commandments, and join in affinity with the people of these abominations? wouldest not thou be angry with us till thou hadst consumed us, so that there should be no remnant nor escaping?

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hyper-grace is really just an over reaction to legalism.  It can only result in the abuse of God's grace.  People are drawn to this not only to be free from legalism, but also to be free from God's standards.  Grace does not make one free from God's standards.  There is nothing new under the sun, and man trying to make his own way is not new either as its origin can be traced back to the garden of Eden.

Gods grace has freed us from the bondage of sin.  we must not receive this sacrifice in vain.  We must repent and seek to live(zao) under the Lordship of Jesus Christ, which is seeking holiness by The Holy Spirit. 

1Pe 1:13  Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14  As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15  But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16  Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17  And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

1Pe 2:11  Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12  Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Rom 6:18  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Now legalism, that is true legalism, is also a plague found today in the church.  If we could observe the law unto salvation Jesus did not need to die.  He didnt even need to be born in the flesh. 

Jas 2:10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

edit: notice how both hyper-grace teachings and legalism teachings both seek for man to make his own way?  even to justify it?  either way is poison for your soul. 

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15 minutes ago, Cletus said:

hyper-grace is really just an over reaction to legalism.  It can only result in the abuse of God's grace.  People are drawn to this not only to be free from legalism, but also to be free from God's standards.  Grace does not make one free from God's standards.  There is nothing new under the sun, and man trying to make his own way is not new either as its origin can be traced back to the garden of Eden.

Gods grace has freed us from the bondage of sin.  we must not receive this sacrifice in vain.  We must repent and seek to live(zao) under the Lordship of Jesus Christ, which is seeking holiness by The Holy Spirit. 

1Pe 1:13  Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14  As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15  But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16  Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17  And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

1Pe 2:11  Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12  Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Rom 6:18  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Now legalism, that is true legalism, is also a plague found today in the church.  If we could observe the law unto salvation Jesus did not need to die.  He didnt even need to be born in the flesh. 

Jas 2:10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

edit: notice how both hyper-grace teachings and legalism teachings both seek for man to make his own way?  even to justify it?  either way is poison for your soul. 

"man trying to make his own way is not new either as its origin can be traced back to the garden of Eden."

Man tried to make his own way to hell and death, what has it got to do with legalism and God for Adam ?

 

""Now legalism, that is true legalism, is also a plague found today in the church.  If we could observe the law unto salvation Jesus did not need to die.  He didnt even need to be born in the flesh. 

Jas 2:10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Nobody can observe the law unto salvation, because they were cursed if they did not continue in it, and everybody could not, as there was no Holy Spirit writing Gods laws into their hearts, as they continued not in the covenant as God said..

Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
 
Jesus Christ needed to die in the flesh to quicken in the Spirit so we also die to flesh and quicken in the Spirit, and if we continue as in the first covenant, breaking all of the Lords right ways, we have decided Jesus needed to die for nothing..
 
James 2:If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
 

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