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3 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 

 

 

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Elohim in Biblical Hebrew and In Modern Hebrew, it is often referred to in the singular despite the -im ending that denotes plural masculine nouns in Hebrew.
 
 
 

***So the ORIGINAL Latin Vulgate verifies the Original Greek***

 

 

 

 

 

No offense, but you need to learn some manuscript evidence before you start trying to prove anything using "original greek" and "vulgate".... as your proof.

To begin with, the penultimate deceit that so many try to use, to correct a bible, is this false idea of "original greek"... "lets take a look at the original greet text"... When in fact, there IS NO SUCH THING.    Listen carefully, the ORIGINAL, would the the actual LETTERS written by actual Apostles, and we have NONE.  What we have, are copies of copies, of greek manuscripts carefully translated into "bibles". There are at least 30  "greek" texts, completed, but most are not used because they have been "corrupted".. This means that at some point during their re-copying, verses were altered to change meanings, create heresy, and destroy doctrine.  Also,  Its possible that the worst bible ever created is the VULGATE.  It is absolutely a monster of a man made man altered mess, and only Catholics accept it and use it, because they created it.  Genuine Theologians refuse it, rebuke it, and ignore it for 150 yrs.  Only Catholics like it because it produced "purgatory", it produced Mary as Queen of Heaven, this idea, it produced, the idea that you can pay a Priest to pray for a departed loved one that you think is in hell, and you can pay the Priest and he will say a prayer, to try to get God to release the person from hell.......>Yeah, im not making this up.  This is what they BELIEVE, and you can thank the Latin Vulgate Bible for all this "stuff".... and more, including "Baptismal regeneration". (The water saves you). 

So, dont use that as any type of proof text for your argument, as that is a fail. 

And the word "trinity" is not found in any Hebrew text, but, Genesis 1:26-28 is found it them all, and it has been perfectly translated into most english bibles as this ..."Let us make MAN in OUR IMAGE"... "our".......this is plural....it means, "more then one".   Father, Son, or...  "The word (Jesus) was WITH GOD, and the word (Jesus) WAS/Is GOD.......also plural (2). Then add the Holy Spirit.  = 3 ...."Trinity".

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On 5/16/2019 at 12:37 AM, missmuffet said:

 

 

 

I am amazed by a few things in life, and this is one of them:

 

The Catholic Church will claim, the idea of the Trinity began around the time of Yeshua, but it's ONLY BEEN PRACTICED since the 2nd Century which eventually led to the changing of the actual WORDS of Yeshua in Matthew 28:19 in the 4th Century.

 

So let's take our example of the Trinity from around the 2nd Century, that is about 1800 years this idea has been around.

 

If we go from Adam to the 2nd Century, that is roughly 4200 years.   Now why do I mention from Adam?

Between Adam and 2nd Century A.D., not everyone believed in Yahweh.   In fact, about 85% of the worlds population at any given time HAS NOT BELIEVED IN YAHWEH.   That leaves other idealisms like WITCHCRAFT and PAGANISM for example.   We know from the Book of Samuel, that king Saul went and met a WITCH, so WITCHCRAFT/PAGANISM has been around twice as long as Christianity.

 

The interesting thing about WITCHCRAFT/PAGANISM is its symbols and the meanings to the symbols.   The ONE SYMBOL BOTH WITCHCRAFT AND PAGANISM PROMOTE EVEN TODAY, IS THE TRIANGLE!!

 

I took the liberty to write some of these meanings down (my ex wife used to be a Wiccan High Priestess who read Tarot Card and was involved in a lot of mysticism and lived daily devoted to the TRIANGLE and its meanings)(she is saved today!!)

 

TRIANGLE:

(1) Considered the most stable of forms .. the Triad

 

(2) Three symbolizes the trinity of life, of substance, intellect, 
of the force which drives it. The point where matter, and consciousness connects with the higher realms. 

 

THESE ARE ALL TRIANGLE SYMBOLS THAT WON'T UPLOAD 

 

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Triquetra

The triquetra has long been used to symbolize the holy trinity but predates Christianity and its use as such. This symbol has been found in Celtic and Nordic inscriptions and arts as well as on Germanic coins and Swedish runes as far back as the 11th century.

Some modern traditions use it to represent the connection between the mind, body, and soul. In Celtic-based pagan traditions, it is often used as a symbol of the three realms of earth, sea, and sky. In the past, there has been speculation that the triquetra is a symbol of the triple goddess or was used as a Celtic symbol of feminine spirituality though no solid scholarly evidence has been found to date.

 

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Air

Air is one of the elements that are found within most pagan traditions. It is considered as the element of the East and is connected to the soul and the breath of life.

Air is one of the four classical elements that are often invoked during pagan rituals and spiritual workings. The element of air is associated with the color yellow and white, communication, wisdom, and the mind. Air can also be represented by feathers, a fan, or incense.

 

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Earth

Earth is one of the classical elements (earth, air, fire, and air). The symbol of earth is also sometimes used to symbolize Mother Earth.

The element of earth is associated with the colors of brown and green, abundance, prosperity, and fertility.

 

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Fire

The element of fire is regarded as strong and masculine. Although fire can destroy anything in its path, it can also be an aid to life, for example in enabling us to cook food for ourselves and keep warm through the winter.

Fire as an element is associated with the south, strong will, and energy as well as with transformation and change.

 

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Water

The element of water is believed to have a strong feminine connection, and so it is associated with all aspects of the goddess. The inverted triangle used to symbolize water is felt by some to symbolize the womb and is befitting with this element's feminine association.

Water is a healing and purifying element that is connected to the West. Water can be used in rituals involving love and other emotions and flowing water in nature such as a river, or the sea, can be incorporated into magical workings that focus on carrying away negativity or other unwanted aspects from your life.

 

(8) This is an actual spell used by WITCHES and PAGANS

miasthmatic: Magic circle, from a fifteenth-century manuscript.

 
(9) FreeMasons and their All Seeing Eye which is on our One Dollar Bill Note represents what VOLTAIRE PREACHED "BEING ENLIGHTENED FROM GOD!!"

ALL-SEEING EYE: A universal symbol representing spiritual sight, inner vision, higher knowledge, insight into occult mysteries. Look at your $1 bill.

“The All-Seeing Eye is one of the oldest hieroglyphics of the Deity. The triangle also is a cabalistic symbol of the most remote antiquity…

 

(10) YOUR TRINITY OF THE FATHER-SON-HOLY SPIRIT SYMBOLISM:

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THAT IS TEN (10) PERFECT EXAMPLES OF PAGAN WITCHCRAFT SYMBOLS

 

 

 

 

IT BAFFLES ME THOSE FOLLOWING THE FALSE IDEALISM OF THE TRINITY USE PAGAN AND WITCHCRAFT SYMBOLS TO REPRESENT GOD!!

 

 

Those SYMBOLS have been around for over 4500 years and NO ONE thought to research them before sticking your TRINITY DEBACLE on them??

 

 

 

PATHETIC, is a word that does not even describe this type of FILTH!!

 

I wonder what God actually thinks of YOU USING PAGAN AND WITCHCRAFT SYMBOLS to represent Him even via the False Trinity Idealism??

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TRIANGLE = TRINITY = TRIUNE

 

Amazing, even the term trinity and triune arrive from PAGAN/WITCHCRAFT terminology!!

 

I see the Pagan Constantine did his best work in a Bible full of misinterpretations, manipulations, and lies!!

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46 minutes ago, childoftheking said:

TRIANGLE = TRINITY = TRIUNE

 

Amazing, even the term trinity and triune arrive from PAGAN/WITCHCRAFT terminology!!

 

I see the Pagan Constantine did his best work in a Bible full of misinterpretations, manipulations, and lies!!

Do you really believe the trinity is from the occult or pagan beliefs?   Most people who reject the trinity disbelieve that the Holy Spirit is His own entity, like the Father and the Son.  Is this what you believe?

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2 hours ago, OneLight said:

Do you really believe the trinity is from the occult or pagan beliefs?   Most people who reject the trinity disbelieve that the Holy Spirit is His own entity, like the Father and the Son.  Is this what you believe?

 

Genesis 6:3 makes it clear WHO the Holy spirit is:

Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 6

3And the LORD said, My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

 

In Hebrew:

גוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֗ה לֹֽא־יָד֨וֹן רוּחִ֤י בָֽאָדָם֙ לְעֹלָ֔ם בְּשַׁגָּ֖ם ה֣וּא בָשָׂ֑ר וְהָי֣וּ יָמָ֔יו מֵאָ֥ה וְעֶשְׂרִ֖ים שָׁנָֽה:

 

 

Notice: 2 Manifestations of God within this ONE VERSE:

(1) We have the LORD speaking (This is YAHWEH)(in the New Testament YAHWEH is YESHUA)

(2) The LORD calls the Holy Spirit His Spirit (Personal Spirit like You and I have a spirit)

(3) The Lord is specific that His Spirit (Personal Spirit = Holy Spirit) shall not always STRIVE WITH MAN.   (The Holy Spirit is STRIVING in YOU and Myself right this very moment, but will STOP when we die...just like verse 3 indicates).

 

To answer YOUR question: the Holy Spirit is God's own personal Spirit:   This is why when the Holy Spirit dwells within us, we are connected to God spirit to Spirit!!

 

 

 

 

As far as do I believe the "TRINITY" is from the occult or pagan beliefs?

The very definition of the TRINITY (outside the usage of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit) matches almost 100% to the definition of the WITCHCRAFT/PAGAN version of the meaning of the TRIANGLE and their TRIFECTA DEITIES  of the TRIPLE GODDESS, HECATE, THE HORNED GOD, AND PAN (which is at times referred to the Horned God).

 

 

If you do an extensive research on Constantine, his very natural mother who gave birth to him was called by Roman citizens "Triple Goddess," because she was a Pagan High Priestess.

 

Constantines own personal god was Apollo (which has an interesting connection to scripture)

First of all, Apollo = Apollo - Greek/Roman young solar God, God of light, truth and prophecy, God of archery, medicine and healing, God of music, poetry, and the arts.

 

Biblically, Apollo = Revelation 9:

11 "They have a king over them-the messenger of the submerged chaos. His Hebrew name is Abaddon, and in Greek he has the name Apollyon."

 

^The first verses explain who this DEMON was king over:

 7 And the likenesses of the locusts are like horses made ready for battle, and on their heads are as it were wreaths like gold, and their faces are as it were human faces, 

8 and they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth are as if they were lions'." 

9 And they had cuirasses, as it were cuirasses of iron, and the sound of their wings is as the sound of many chariot horses racing into battle." 

10 And they have tails like scorpions, and stings, and their license is to injure mankind five months with their tails.

 

With his mother called the "Triple Goddess," Constantine would no doubt promote a TRINITY!!

 

 

I have no doubts that the term Trinity Term from Constantine, was coined in Pagan beliefs!!

 

And something else:

Do you know the meaning to the number 66, as in your Canon there is only 66 Books?

 

(1) 

Curse = 66

The occult meaning behind the number 66 represents the loss of faith in the Divine, and the emergence of the self-serving or inward nature of man as both a curse and a path to material fullfilment. The word “curse” is found in use 66 times in the Biblical OT and in Simple Gematria the word “Curse” equals 66.

 

(2) According to esoteric tradition, the numbers 6, 66, and 666 are what constitute a pathway for hex-craft or spiritual magick to be performed as a “charming” tool for both hexing and enchanting.
Various adherents to the practices of magika (type of divining magic), such as found in mystery religions or cult-based witchcraft, utilize the number 66 during ritual number divining (channeling). 

 

(3) 

Historians recognize that the beginning of the new independent Republic occurred on July 4, 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was publicly issued.  We already know that the timing of this declaration was carefully calculated according to Satanic doctrine.  July 4 is exactly the 66th day following the beginning of the Satanic High Holy period called Beltane, which begins on April 30.  In this calculation, April 30 is counted as 'Day 1'.

The number '66' is the occult number for the Perfect Government of the Perfect Man, who is represented by the number '666'.  Therefore, by waiting for the 66th day following Beltane to establish the United States of America, our Masonic forefathers were telling fellow Adepts throughout the world and through time, that America was going to be the New Atlantis, the forerunner of the perfect global government of Antichrist.

Further, July 4 is exactly 13 days after Summer Solstice on June 21.  In this calculation, June 22 is counted as 'Day 1'.  The number 13 is the number of Satan's rebellion, and figures prominently in Luciferian lore.

 

^ Beltane is a celebration Moloch's FIRES:   Do you know what Moloch's Fires represent in the Bible?

Canaanites sacrificed their babies for wealth to Moloch by tossing them into Moloch's FIRES, and FreeMason/Witches/Pagans celebrate this 66 days BEFORE the Day of Independence (July 4th) in a festival called "Beltane."

 

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6 Pairings of 66 In Simple Gematria:

Mankind / Curse
Beasts / Abyss
Dead Now / Eye Damage
Cain And Abel / Twin
Moloch / Sodom
Pharoh / Anubis

                                                                                                                                                                                                            

 

 

 

 

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We are commanded to shew ourselves APPROVED (By God of course)!!

 

If you have no idea WHO the Adversary (enemy = devil) is, what he is capable of, and what he would do to discourage us from seeking the Absolute Truth, then you are not PREPARED!!

 

You should know WHO your God and Savior is just as much as you should know what your Adversary (enemy) is capable of doing to cause you to not know God as you should!!

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Cracks me up that you have Israel as a place of residence, and you still are trying to promote the trinity, or that Yeshua is the Holy Spirit.

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10 hours ago, Behold said:

No offense, but you need to learn some manuscript evidence before you start trying to prove anything using "original greek" and "vulgate".... as your proof.

To begin with, the penultimate deceit that so many try to use, to correct a bible, is this false idea of "original greek"... "lets take a look at the original greet text"... When in fact, there IS NO SUCH THING.    Listen carefully, the ORIGINAL, would the the actual LETTERS written by actual Apostles, and we have NONE.  What we have, are copies of copies, of greek manuscripts carefully translated into "bibles". There are at least 30  "greek" texts, completed, but most are not used because they have been "corrupted".. This means that at some point during their re-copying, verses were altered to change meanings, create heresy, and destroy doctrine.  Also,  Its possible that the worst bible ever created is the VULGATE.  It is absolutely a monster of a man made man altered mess, and only Catholics accept it and use it, because they created it.  Genuine Theologians refuse it, rebuke it, and ignore it for 150 yrs.  Only Catholics like it because it produced "purgatory", it produced Mary as Queen of Heaven, this idea, it produced, the idea that you can pay a Priest to pray for a departed loved one that you think is in hell, and you can pay the Priest and he will say a prayer, to try to get God to release the person from hell.......>Yeah, im not making this up.  This is what they BELIEVE, and you can thank the Latin Vulgate Bible for all this "stuff".... and more, including "Baptismal regeneration". (The water saves you). 

So, dont use that as any type of proof text for your argument, as that is a fail. 

And the word "trinity" is not found in any Hebrew text, but, Genesis 1:26-28 is found it them all, and it has been perfectly translated into most english bibles as this ..."Let us make MAN in OUR IMAGE"... "our".......this is plural....it means, "more then one".   Father, Son, or...  "The word (Jesus) was WITH GOD, and the word (Jesus) WAS/Is GOD.......also plural (2). Then add the Holy Spirit.  = 3 ...."Trinity".

 

 

I missed this post:

 

The Latin Vulgate was used in the 5th Century translating the Greek that was available.  The available Greek is considered to be the original, since it's the first text we have and consider to be Inspired by God.   What actually matters however, is that anything translated from these Greek texts needs to be WORD FOR WORD.   The Latin Vulgate did exactly that.   So that gives us 2 copies (Greek and Latin Vulgate) that verify one another.   

 

Logic then would state, the English Bible should also verify both the Latin Vulgate and the Greek.   But in the case of the KJV Bible, it does not verify either the Latin Vulgate or the Greek.   This is a problem, because the Greek and Latin Vulgate existed 1400 and 900 years before there was an English translation.   And the fact the English translation is completely different in areas pertaining ONLY TO THE TRINITY, makes it quite obvious of TAMPERING!!

 

So yes, I will and can use it, because I am well aware of the problem and choose not to ignore it like YOU!!

 

 

 

Now, to your Genesis 1:26-28 comment:

(1) WE KNOW FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT, that how the Hebrew Language is structured, the word ELOHIM is ALWAYS SINGULAR in meaning.

(2) ONLY the TRINITARIANS claim the Hebrew/Jewish people don't understand their Language in order to make ELOHIM plural!! (if your residence is in Israel even a portion of the time, YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS FACT THAT TO THE HEBREW/JEWS ELOHIM IS ALWAYS SINGULAR IN MEANING)!! (So, why do you try to change the meaning to ELOHIM?)

 

So, if ELOHIM in the Torah context is ALWAYS SINGULAR IN MEANING, then who is God speaking to?

Obviously verse 27 is 100% SINGULAR IN MEANING:

27 And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; (His image, not their image)(2nd half of that verse: HE [God] created) (so verse 27 is no doubt 100% SINGULAR IN MEANING)

 

But what about verse 26, "Let us make man in our image??"  Who is God speaking to here?

 

God's Divine Council

Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 82

1 A song of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge.  (The Courtroom of God)

אמִזְמ֗וֹר לְאָ֫סָ֥ף אֱלֹהִ֗ים נִצָּ֥ב בַּֽעֲדַת־אֵ֑ל בְּקֶ֖רֶב אֱלֹהִ֣ים יִשְׁפֹּֽט:

 

But WHO are these judges that God stands in the midst of?

 

verse 6 enlightens us:

6 I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels of the Most High." 

ואֲֽנִ֣י אָ֖מַרְתִּי אֱלֹהִ֣ים אַתֶּ֑ם וּבְנֵ֖י עֶלְי֣וֹן כֻּלְּכֶֽם:

 

Now look at all 6 verses together:

1 A song of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge. 

אמִזְמ֗וֹר לְאָ֫סָ֥ף אֱלֹהִ֗ים נִצָּ֥ב בַּֽעֲדַת־אֵ֑ל בְּקֶ֖רֶב אֱלֹהִ֣ים יִשְׁפֹּֽט:

2 How long will you judge unjustly and favor the wicked forever? 

בעַד־מָתַ֣י תִּשְׁפְּטוּ־עָ֑וֶל וּפְנֵ֥י רְ֜שָׁעִ֗ים תִּשְׂאוּ־סֶֽלָה:

3 Judge the poor and orphan; justify the humble and the impoverished. 

גשִׁפְטוּ־דָ֥ל וְיָת֑וֹם עָנִ֖י וָרָ֣שׁ הַצְדִּֽיקוּ:

4 Release the poor and the needy; save [them] from the hands of [the] wicked. 

דפַּלְּטוּ־דַ֣ל וְאֶבְי֑וֹן מִיַּ֖ד רְשָׁעִ֣ים הַצִּֽילוּ:

5 They did not know and they do not understand [that] they will walk in darkness; all the foundations of the earth will totter. 

הלֹ֚א יָֽדְע֨וּ | וְלֹ֬א יָבִ֗ינוּ בַּֽחֲשֵׁכָ֥ה יִתְהַלָּ֑כוּ יִ֜מּ֗וֹטוּ כָּל־מ֥וֹסְדֵי אָֽרֶץ:

6 I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels of the Most High." 

ואֲֽנִ֣י אָ֖מַרְתִּי אֱלֹהִ֣ים אַתֶּ֑ם וּבְנֵ֖י עֶלְי֣וֹן כֻּלְּכֶֽם:

 

^God and His Angelic Host are having a conversation here.   The Angelic host are even making excuses for mankind (verse 5).   God actually goes to His Angelic Host and speaks to them and listens to them BEFORE making a decision.   How interesting is that?   And we have scripture to prove, "that God has a Divine Heavenly Council He speaks to and listens to before making decisions!!"

 

Names of the Council

The gatherings of God’s servants have several titles:

(“mount of assembly” — Isa 14:13); (“camp of God” — Gen 32:2); (“company” [of destroying angels] — Ps 78:49);  (“council of God” — Job 15:8, 29:4);  (“council of YHVH” — Jer 23:18, 22); (“council of holy ones” — Ps 89:7); (“congregation of God”— Ps 82:1);  (“assembly of holy ones” — Ps 89:6).

 

 

Why would ELOHIM have a Council, if there are THREE BEINGS representing God, who could be the Council??

 

Why does the Hebrew Bible reveal God's Council of Angelic Beings, but no mention of the supposed Trinity??

Because the Trinity DOES NOT EXIST!!

 

So, who was God speaking to in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image??"

 

He was speaking to His Holy Divine Council!!

 

After all:

Elohim, in Biblical Hebrew and in Modern Hebrew, is referred to in the (([[singular]])) despite the -im ending that denotes plural masculine nouns in Hebrew.

 

So, if we go by how the Hebrew Language is PROPERLY/CORRECTLY structured, verse 26 is Elohim (ONE/SINGULAR) speaking to His Divine Council..."Let us make man in or image."

 

We know Angels look like us and we look like them:

(1) they had children with human women (so they are made specifically like us in IMAGE)

(2) their children were Giants, but still LOOKED LIKE US in IMAGE

 

The HEBREW CANON is where anyone believing the Trinity should go and do research!!

It proves without a shadow of any doubt that Elohim is ONE/SINGULAR.

 

Yeshua (I AM) told Moses (Burning Bush) He was the ELOHIM of Moses' father, the ELOHIM of Abraham, the ELOHIM of Isaac, and the ELOHIM of Jacob!!

 

^That is as SINGULAR/ONE as it gets!!

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council of YHVH” — Jer 23:18, 22

 

Yirmiyahu - Jeremiah - Chapter 23

 

18 

For who stood in the council of the Lord and will see and hear His word? He who hearkened to His word and listened. 

יחכִּ֣י מִ֚י עָמַד֙ בְּס֣וֹד יְהֹוָ֔ה וְיֵ֖רֶא וְיִשְׁמַ֣ע אֶת־דְּבָר֑וֹ מִי־הִקְשִׁ֥יב דְּבָר֖וֹ (כתיב דְּבָרֹ֖י) וַיִּשְׁמָֽע

 

22

And if they stood in My council, they should have let My people hear My words, so that they bring them back from their evil way and from the evil of their deeds. 

כבוְאִם־עָֽמְד֖וּ בְּסוֹדִ֑י וְיַשְׁמִ֚עוּ דְבָרַי֙ אֶת־עַמִּ֔י וִֽישִׁבוּם֙ מִדַּרְכָּ֣ם הָרָ֔ע וּמֵרֹ֖עַ מַֽעַלְלֵיהֶֽם:

   


 

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On 5/17/2019 at 7:40 PM, childoftheking said:

Cracks me up that you have Israel as a place of residence, and you still are trying to promote the trinity, or that Yeshua is the Holy Spirit.

Yes, Jesus is the Holy Spirit.   Let me explain.   All the Born Again have "Christ in YOU, the Hope of Heaven"......."if you have not the Spirit of Christ, then you don't belong to God" .  Romans 8:9

Follow me so far?

Now, where is Jesus?    WHERE IS JESUS?     Isn't He ascended back into Heaven?   Does He not have a MANS's BODY?   Is He not coming again, to reign in Israel?   And He is the same One who came out of the TOMB, risen, and now is in Heaven, in the MAN's BODY....... So, how can Jesus, in a man's body, be in the born again?    So, you have to think..   Its obvious that if Jesus is in Heaven as a MAN in a Man's BODY, "making intercession" (Advocate) 1 John 2:1.   and yet "Christ is IN YOU".....then how can Jesus the Man, be CHRIST IN EVERY born again person".

Well, its the "Spirit of Christ".........and what is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST?    ITS THE HOLY SPIRIT. !   SO, JESUS IS the Holy Spirit, and He is also the COMFORTER.  as this is the Spirit of Christ = ALSO.

Obviously.

 

 

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