JohnD Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 904 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,642 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2019 The longer I live the more I realize what the Word of God reveals about the true nature of humanity... there is none that are good... no not one. There is a side of us (most of us) that [wants] to be good... and it can and does fuel the kind acts we sometimes do. But inside us is a beast that must be disciplined and distrusted and watched with all diligence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 904 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,642 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 I often do battle (skirmish) with people (family mostly) who diasgree and believe there are good people in the world. My argument is that they are good at containing their beast. Or that they do so as a habit. But we fool ourselves if we believe humanity is anything but evil with potential good at best. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortangel Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 839 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 634 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/12/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2019 interesting thoughts here, I wonder if that is true or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 904 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,642 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, shortangel said: interesting thoughts here, I wonder if that is true or not It's true. The longer you live the more you realize we romanticize human nature and fall for the deception that people are basically good and I'm no worse than the next guy and everyone can be reached with good. That last one my beloved wife believed from childhood until she got a BA in psychology. Patch Adams is a good movie to watch about how this false belief can end up. Edited May 21, 2019 by JohnD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortangel Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 839 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 634 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/12/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2019 good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2019 4 hours ago, JohnD said: The longer I live the more I realize what the Word of God reveals about the true nature of humanity... there is none that are good... no not one. There is a side of us (most of us) that [wants] to be good... and it can and does fuel the kind acts we sometimes do. But inside us is a beast that must be disciplined and distrusted and watched with all diligence. No one is perfect and we are all sinners. The Holy Spirit transforms us into a person that is pleasing to God. We want to be obedient to God and not sin willfully. If we pray and ask God will change us. He is the potter we are the clay. He will change us and shape us into someone He wants us to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted May 21, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,556 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 7,634 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2019 There are good people in the world. When the bible uses the term there is no one good. It means unblemished. We all have fallen short of Gods glory. But no ones good enough to go to heaven. We all need the cross of christ for our sins. But there are some who are more evil and some who are more good. They each need christ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 22, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 904 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,642 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Wayne222 said: There are good people in the world. When the bible uses the term there is no one good. It means unblemished. We all have fallen short of Gods glory. But no ones good enough to go to heaven. We all need the cross of christ for our sins. But there are some who are more evil and some who are more good. They each need christ. I would say good-ish. I recall the account of a Jewish Massad agent who captured a Nazi war criminal and brought him back to Nuremberg for trial. Along the way he was shocked to discover this little man who he envisioned as the devil himself loved and feared for the safety of his family in Argentina... was rather ordinary... even had severe constipation. Then the horrible thought occurred to him (the Massad agent)... ALL humanity can be like this complicated little man (I don't recall which Nazi war criminal it was but I do know he hanged for his crimes). There but for the grace of God go... us! I also defer to the testimony of God about the nature of man. No one good. No not one. Edited May 22, 2019 by JohnD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted May 22, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.89 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2019 Those that have a New Spirit are the only ones capable of doing good.Sometimes we are blessed and the Spirit Of God Works “ through us”to do good .Everything else is dung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandalfTheWise Posted May 22, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 24 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 2,377 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/23/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2019 19 hours ago, shortangel said: interesting thoughts here, I wonder if that is true or not Christian theologians over the centuries have varying views on the depth of evil and sin in each unsaved human being. There are some who consider humans as totally depraved having nothing good inside of them. There are some who view humans as being created in the image of God which has now been corrupted and irreparably damaged but still shows some characteristics of that original image. Basically it's the difference of whether unsaved humans are like a dung-heap of evil and worthlessness or are like a vandalized and weather-damaged work of art still showing some of the original creation in God's image but in a damaged form. All the theologians agree that it is only through God reaching out to us through the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ that we can be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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