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I think my church may be dying. What can I do?

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4 minutes ago, Betha said:

You are asking for a miracle friend, but you are not going to like it when offered.

I would first ask yourself and also the church if you are obedient to GOD's instructions ? or are your assemblies based on HUMAN traditions which this world is following ? Because what is NOT of GOD will not survive. Are you reading and studying scriptures that WARN of deception  that leads to destruction ?

The heart of the matter is that the ROOTS/foundation supports Us and moving away from them is like a flower cut off....it CAN NOT SURVIVE. ALL churches who have left the CREATOR's FOUNDATION will meet their END when the LORD FROM HEAVEN returns.

Correction and admonition to CHANGE is sounded now by a loving caring GOD who does not want anyone to perish. People are free to accept or reject ! Many scriptures apply.

@Betha God has yet to provide me with a miracle that I did not like. 😊 But, yes, I get what you are saying and agree. 

Ugh, I don't think I worded my OP very well. We are a bible based church so stepping out of His will is never the goal nor intent. No decisions are made without prayer, etc....

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23 minutes ago, Cool of the Day said:

@nzkev I agree. I don't think our focus should be on the numbers. Though, the numbers are important as they do keep the doors open. The numbers make up the hands and feet to reach the greater community and serve in various capacities. 

You have named the problem, there Cool of the Day, "keeping the doors open". Having been the treasurer of a "remnant church" such as you describe I am familiar with the institutional denominational dilemma of maintaining a building and property when the congregation is down in numbers. At 55 years I was the youngest person in the assembly with a couple of regulars being around 90 years. Fortunately the building and large land area were suitable for hire and the income from their regular weekly lease paid the bills and balanced the books. 

The Lord has moved me on to simple in-house fellowshipping now and none of the property maintenance issues arise.

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8 minutes ago, Betha said:

Friend if you are serious about the last sentence in your post it would mean a 'change and sacrifice many are afraid to make, because it requires turning from the world....and TURNING TO THE LORD FROM HEAVEN.    

You've lost me and I am desperately, sincerely trying to follow. How have we turned to the world when our desire is to seek and save, care for the widows and orphans, visit the shut ins...

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5 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

You have named the problem, there Cool of the Day, "keeping the doors open". Having been the treasurer of a "remnant church" such as you describe I am familiar with the institutional denominational dilemma of maintaining a building and property when the congregation is down in numbers. At 55 years I was the youngest person in the assembly with a couple of regulars being around 90 years. Fortunately the building and large land area were suitable for hire and the income from their regular weekly lease paid the bills and balanced the books. 

The Lord has moved me on to simple in-house fellowshipping now and none of the property maintenance issues arise.

Yes @Michael37 you get part of the dilemma. The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few.

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1 minute ago, Cool of the Day said:

You've lost me and I am desperately, sincerely trying to follow. How have we turned to the world when our desire is to seek and save, care for the widows and orphans, visit the shut ins...

I've got you, Cool of the Day. Some folk have axes to grind, God bless them. The good thing about the "remnant" I was part of was the close fellowship. For 5 years & 8 months I chauffeured members across our city to and from our midweek evening in-home Bible study group because I believe in small group fellowship around the Word of God. Anything above 8 people assembled and the dynamic changes from organic to something more institutional, so small congregations of those that love the Lord and love to search the Scriptures in order to edify and comfort one another can be an absolute blessing...nothing to be ashamed of but definitely an opportunity to trust in the Lord and lean not on our own understanding. 

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8 minutes ago, Cool of the Day said:

You've lost me and I am desperately, sincerely trying to follow. How have we turned to the world when our desire is to seek and save, care for the widows and orphans, visit the shut ins...

I wish i could speak more freely, but forum rules don't allow. I am not saying you or your church have turned TO the world.....but maybe you are IN it since you seem to follow it's basic worship day.  Can you give a scripture for  worshipping/assembling on any other day apart from the ONE day God decreed as foundationally Holy  from the time of Creation ?

I'm really trying to get back to the basic foundation that GOD established ....not what MEN have substituted since then leading away from it. A HOLY GOD needs to be our priority ....and will be again when HIS SON comes to set up HIS Kingdom. As of NOW the world is ruled by an imposter who deceives all Rev 12v9.

Deception is so deep and been perpetrated so long it is no longer seen by men...but GOD sees...and Yashua is coming to put it right !

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42 minutes ago, Cool of the Day said:

@Betha God has yet to provide me with a miracle that I did not like. 😊 But, yes, I get what you are saying and agree. 

Ugh, I don't think I worded my OP very well. We are a bible based church so stepping out of His will is never the goal nor intent. No decisions are made without prayer, etc....

Most of us who are SINCERE about God have to EXAMINE ourselves very closely if we indeed match up to scripture.....because NOT every one who calls me Lord Lord will enter the Kgd of God, but he that does the Will of my Father in Heaven Mat 7v21-23. 

If you are the Bible-based church you say you are you will know of the Will/Commandments of God that are spiritual. eternal, holy, just and good   showing LOVE to God and neighbour.

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1 hour ago, Cool of the Day said:

I'm oversimplifying, but I hope you get the gist. 

 

Hi, I live it!

At age 75 I have just been led to be a member of a different local body of Christ Jesus than I have been member of for over 20 years and an employee  of it for 14 of those years. I love the members of the body that I had been member of for those many years till now, but I have been led by God to yet another local body of Christ. Both are growing in numbers and both teach verse by verse the world of God pretty much in the mode of a Charles Spurgeon.

It is just the way it is.

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2 hours ago, Cool of the Day said:

When I look around I see more and more empty pews. Only select Sundays are they filled. The majority of the buzz from the elders is "how do we attract/keep the younger generation here?"

We are a Bible rooted church, but, I do think we lean more to head knowledge vs. truly getting to the heart and allowing the Holy Spirit to flow freely and unhindered. 

All that said, do any scriptures come to mind that I can pray? Or take back to the elders when they ask me my thoughts/ideas?

God Bless

Okay, yay! Thanks everyone for your thoughts and imput thus far. Now that we've thoroughly touched on the first part of my OP, any thoughts on the second and third parts?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Cool of the Day said:

You've lost me and I am desperately, sincerely trying to follow. How have we turned to the world when our desire is to seek and save, care for the widows and orphans, visit the shut ins...

Hi again,

Well, I suggest the possibility that it is God that wills the members to disperse- for the spreading of the Word. If all went well at Jerusalem  would there have been the dispersion of the early church saints to numerous other locales? 

Even as I am led to a new local body of Christ I am also led to pick up and move away to where I will have to become associated with yet another local body in addition in whatever form it may exist where I am now being led to spend at least part of my time.

 

My very first home church died while I was led to leave it to move to another church 2800 miles away for a period of time before returning to find  the old home body had been following a brilliant teacher a pastor instead of Christ Jesus our Lord in worship and in obedience to God The Father. It had been a church well established it seemed, with  over 1500 individuals, and all sorts of outreach programs. It up and died overnight, when the pastor failed in his responsibilities to God for leadership of a local flock. The sheep there learned  what happens when they depend on a man instead of what the man is teaching. They could not stay together for they  were fascinated by the pastor more than by  Jesus.  I found so was I. It was a good hard lesson.

God moved me along over time to many other adventures in corporate worship. I had thought final my membership was to be where I was led to work 14 years. Yet, that has not been God's plan for me. I suspect that  is not all that much different than God's plan  for many of us.

I think we are to  rest lightly in the pews, eat in haste, and be prepared to be moved on in an instant, by God's call to exodus to a new landing  place for life and worship of Him.

ps- My first church body had a bus ministry  for over 300 kids had 1500 seniors in Super 60's, had another 1100 of us too.

pps- I also knew of Dr. Robert Schuler and his soon to be Crystal Cathedral. What a growth story in my then home area! And it died! For the people followed him and prosperity or possibility thinking of Norman V.Peale and not so much Jesus. It happens and yet the sheep get freed from what had been holding them back. They learn not to worship the trappings of success, and instead to praise Jesus regardless of circumstance, giving thanks in all things.

That's my present opinion anyway-

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