a multitude from the Tribulation

[jsimms615]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Our test and trial is now be4 the trib.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Rev 3:10 is specifically written to the church in Philadelphia. Context 

[JustPassingThru]

On 5/25/2019 at 10:44 PM, childoftheking said:

The moment I hear someone preach Pre-Trib, I automatically see a COWARD!!

My, my, accusing the brethren, ...there's no doubt in my mind as to who is the accuser of the brethren that instigated this remark, ...........certainly not the Holy Spirit, ...the fruit of the Spirit is love: joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control,  ....just sayin',     2 Tim 3:16 

Edited May 27, 2019 by JustPassingThru

[Retrobyter]

5 hours ago, Cletus said:

no.  there are periods in there that are not the worst no nor ever shall be. 

Shalom, Cletus.

Yes, but Yeshua` promised that there would be LULLS in the tribulation:

Matthew 24:20-22 (KJV)

20 "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

These are the days of actual pressure that are lessened WITHIN this time period. The over-all length of time doesn't change, but the number of days of pressure within the length of time lessens.

HOWEVER, their pressure ("tribulation") still began around 70 A.D. and will continue until the Messiah returns. It's still pressure put upon the children of Israel, and it's still a long period of time until the sign of the Son of man appears in the sky.

Yeshua` told us when He would return:

Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV)

37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

However, He still left them "desolate" until that time when they say, "Baruwkh haba' b-shem YHWH," which translates to "Welcome the-Comer on-[the]-authority of-YHWH." (Psalm 118:26) So far, the Jews have NEVER been able to admit that Yeshua` WAS the Comer on the authority of YHWH; that is, the Messiah of God.

[R. Hartono]

12 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

 ...taken completely out of CONTEXT.

When will ISRAEL see it?  at the mid pint of the last seven weeks of Daniel's prophecy Dan 9:27, ...concerning Israel!!

You're right the AOD will happen at the mid point which means the first 3.5 years.

And Jesus said there will be children at that time

Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Why would there be children in the first 3.5 years of tribulation if rapture takes place 3.5 years be4 that ? Because those children are left behind with their parents.

Lets say those children are 5 years old, 3,5 years earlier when the rapture happen they were 1,5 years and still sucking milk. Which means these children were left at the rapture as well as their parents.

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Cletus said:

if you read the whole passage you will see it is not a "lull"  but its when we are going from beginning of sorrows to abomonation of desolation.  that is whats being talked about there.  when the abomonation comes they are to flee into the wilderness... into petra. 

Shalom, again, Cletus.

Sorry, but the Abomination of Desolation, that is, the Disgusting thing that leads to Devastation, was already performed by the Romans in the First Century A.D. You are "beating a DEAD HORSE!"

Please understand that the usage of the words "ye," "you," and "your" in English are associated with and translate the Greek words "humeis," "humoon" (where "oo" represents an omega), "humin," and "humas." ALL of these words, both English and Greek, mean the PLURAL forms of "you!"

Also, any verb in Greek that ends in "-ete" (epsilon-tau-epsilon) or "-ethe" (epsilon-theta-epsilon) are translated as the second-person plural for that verb.

When Yeshua` used words that were translated into those words in Greek (from either Hebrew or Aramaic), He was talking DIRECTLY to those disciples sitting before Him on Har-HaZeeytiym ("the Mount of Olives").

[JustPassingThru]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

You're right the AOD will happen at the mid point which means the first 3.5 years.

And Jesus said there will be children at that time

Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Why would there be children in the first 3.5 years of tribulation if rapture takes place 3.5 years be4 that ? Because those children are left behind with their parents.

Lets say those children are 5 years old, 3,5 years earlier when the rapture happen they were 1,5 years and still sucking milk. Which means these children were left at the rapture as well as their parents.

That's good bro, ...sounds logical,

...however, Jesus said: 

And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

He was talking about  women that are pregnant and mothers that are nursing their babies (after the Rapture of His Church)...

And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Matt 24:19 KJV

AndG1161 woeG3759 unto them that are with child, G2192  G1722  G1064 andG2532 to them that give suckG2337 inG1722 thoseG1565 days!G2250    KJV with Strong's numbers

G 2192 - echō - to have, to hold

G 1722 - en - in, with

G 1064 - gastēr - the belly, the womb, the stomach

God's Word, a paraphrase:

"How horrible it will be for the women who are pregnant or who are nursing babies in those days.

Lord bless

 

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, JustPassingThru said:

That's good bro, ...sounds logical,

...however, Jesus said: 

And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

He was talking about  women that are pregnant and mothers that are nursing their babies (after the Rapture of His Church)...

And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Matt 24:19 KJV

AndG1161 woeG3759 unto them that are with child, G2192  G1722  G1064 andG2532 to them that give suckG2337 inG1722 thoseG1565 days!G2250    KJV with Strong's numbers

G 2192 - echō - to have, to hold

G 1722 - en - in, with

G 1064 - gastēr - the belly, the womb, the stomach

God's Word, a paraphrase:

"How horrible it will be for the women who are pregnant or who are nursing babies in those days.

Lord bless

 

If children r to be taken with the rapture to avoid the great Tribulation why wud God let women become pregnant again in the Tribulation ?

[BeauJangles]

41 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

If children r to be taken with the rapture to avoid the great Tribulation why wud God let women become pregnant again in the Tribulation ?

Well, as it mentions in Matthew 24:38 concerning the days before the flood, there was marrying and giving in marriage. Of course this ceased to be, as no one was left on the face of the earth except for Noah and his family. Since there will be people on the earth during the Tribulation, I would expect there will still be marrying and giving in marriage. Should we expect the natural course of things, such as giving birth won't occur during this period?

[R. Hartono]

19 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Well, as it mentions in Matthew 24:38 concerning the days before the flood, there was marrying and giving in marriage. Of course this ceased to be, as no one was left on the face of the earth except for Noah and his family. Since there will be people on the earth during the Tribulation, I would expect there will still be marrying and giving in marriage. Should we expect the natural course of things, such as giving birth won't occur during this period?

Then it would b unfair if God remove all children be 4 the rapture to avoid Tribulation but then let women become pregnant and deliver children in Tribulation

[BeauJangles]

1 minute ago, R. Hartono said:

Then it would b unfair if God remove all children be 4 the rapture to avoid Tribulation but then let women become pregnant and deliver children in Tribulation

Nothing 'seems' fair in a case of God's tremendous wrath and great judgement. We can't begin to understand the will and plans of the Lord. It's far beyond our human comprehension.