R. Hartono Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,935 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) There is no more manna falling down from heaven so we cannot expect free bread today (Give us this day our daily bread). And there is no bread if you are unemployed and cannot make money to buy bread. So why didnt Jesus ask "Give us this day our daily job" so the unemployed may rcv some jobs and make money to buy bread ? Edited May 11, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted May 25, 2019 all the bread, all of creation, comes from God, it is a gift, of His love. He does not give to everyone equally, but all food, all water, the air that we breath, our very lives, come from God. Without these things, there is no bread, manna or not. Most people have something to eat daily, and those who do, should be sharing with those that do not. If we have the ability and the opportunity to work, then that is what we should do, and even then, we should give credit to God, for that ennoblement and opportunity. Since He did not charge us for His creation, yes, there is still free bread! Perhaps, Jesus did not ask for jobs, because then we would look to ourselves as the provider, and worship ourselves, instead of the God who gave us life, and the place we live, worshiping the creation, instead of the Creator! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael (limmuwd) Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2019 Truthfully, our Lord is speaking not of physical food, but of spiritual sustenance. "I Am the bread of Life... 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” - John 6:48,50-51 He is to be our daily Bread, our portion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,935 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: Perhaps, Jesus did not ask for jobs, because then we would look to ourselves as the provider, and worship ourselves, instead of the God who gave us life, and the place we live, worshiping the creation, instead of the Creator! People ask for jobs because they cannot provide themselves neither worship their weakness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,935 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Michael (limmuwd) said: Truthfully, our Lord is speaking not of physical food, but of spiritual sustenance. "I Am the bread of Life... 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” - John 6:48,50-51 He is to be our daily Bread, our portion. If that bread is the bread of Life which means our faith in Christ then Jesus didnt have to ask "give us this day our daily bread", would God need to give you faith every other day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael (limmuwd) Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: If that bread is the bread of Life which means our faith in Christ then Jesus didnt have to ask "give us this day our daily bread", would God need to give you faith every other day ? Yes, we must walk daily by faith. I believe all here could testify of times they needed more faith to endure the trials and testing of this life. Faith is not a one time event. Even the Apostles who walked with Jesus daily, with Him visibly by their side, said to Him - "increase our faith." (Luke 17:5). And another fellow once told Jesus, "I believe, Lord, now help my unbelief." Oh yes, I fully believe Messiah Jesus was speaking of our spiritual Bread, which we need daily. "Sufficient for the day is the troubles thereof." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, R. Hartono said: There is no more manna falling down from heaven so we cannot expect free bread today (Give us this day our daily bread). And there is no bread if you are unemployed and cannot make money to buy bread. So why didnt Jesus ask "Give us this day our daily job" so the unemployed may rcv some jobs and make money to buy bread ? You seem to be very concerned about these people caring signs asking for money. Why is that? If they would ask God for help I am sure He would be more than happy to do so if their requests are genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,935 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, missmuffet said: You seem to be very concerned about these people caring signs asking for money. Why is that? If they would ask God for help I am sure He would be more than happy to do so if their requests are genuine. No job no money no bread, God should give people jobs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 790 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 878 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 hours ago, R. Hartono said: There is no more manna falling down from heaven so we cannot expect free bread today (Give us this day our daily bread). And there is no bread if you are unemployed and cannot make money to buy bread. So why didnt Jesus ask "Give us this day our daily job" so the unemployed may rcv some jobs and make money to buy bread ? There was no manna falling down in Jesus' time either. God can answer our prayers for 'bread' in many ways, depending on our situation - such as by giving a subsistence farmer rain, or by giving an unemployed person a job. "Remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you the ability to produce wealth..." (Deuteronomy 8:18) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,935 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Michael (limmuwd) said: Yes, we must walk daily by faith. I believe all here could testify of times they needed more faith to endure the trials and testing of this life. Faith is not a one time event. Even the Apostles who walked with Jesus daily, with Him visibly by their side, said to Him - "increase our faith." (Luke 17:5). And another fellow once told Jesus, "I believe, Lord, now help my unbelief." Oh yes, I fully believe Messiah Jesus was speaking of our spiritual Bread, which we need daily. "Sufficient for the day is the troubles thereof." Daily bread is not daily faith whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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